In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse.
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@Strandjunker it's an empire and all empires are bound to fall.
@TheOneDoc @Strandjunker At least we got quite few recent examples, like USSR in the 90's as well.
So better documented than ancient ones like roman empire, bronze age, … -
In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
I still don't get it. I'm a news junkie in the US, and I still don't understand what I'm seeing, even though it's all around me. It just makes no sense
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker Every civilisation collapses eventually, for different reasons. Quite often the system cannot maintain its complexity any longer because the complexity costs keep growing while the resources dwindle, and often the system tries to solve the problem by adding another layer of even more complexity because that was the thing that had always worked in the past.
Once you stop looking at civilisation as a human endeavour run by a bunch of experts and thinkers and begin to look at it as a self-organising complex system consisting of all kinds of humans, most of whom don't really know what they're doing and just repeating what seemed to work in the past, you begin to realise that every civilisation eventually crosses the point of no return where collapse becomes inevitable. The Industrial Age is quite likely already beyond saving, we crossed the line some twenty years ago. -
In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
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@Strandjunker can't decide if the US government is currently being more or less ridiculous than the Romans appointing a horse to the Senate
@FishNamedDog @Strandjunker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhkZMxgPxXU "There's a horse in the hospital!"
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@Strandjunker it's an empire and all empires are bound to fall.
@TheOneDoc @Strandjunker Fail is a strong word. Maybe “transform”? Russia has been acting imperial for centuries. It was an empire in the 1709s. It subjugated its neighbours for various reasons, geography and food access for eg.
Take Finland… since 1809, it has been annexed by Russia, achieved independence, then lost a chunk of territory to the USSR (heavily Russian power structure in the USSR)
The USSR lost dominance over its neighbours in the 90’s. The Russian SFSR became the Russian Federation
They’ve started wars with Chechnya, Geogria, and Ukraine. While suppressing non-Russian minorities within Russia.
They’re influencing the Iran war.
Russia still sounds hella imperial to me
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
sad thing that advanced i tech does not correlate to advanced in mind
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker time causes even the fabric of the universe to collapse eventually. With so few ways to go about the good and so much variety in the bad, those hands don't need to do any work. Nobody gets to be surprised.
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
Remember it wasn’t that long ago that it became a thing that apparently men were thinking of the Romans at least once a day…women were reported as being baffled by this.
As a woman who has a little appreciation of history I could see the Romans were indeed inventive, but then so were the ancient Chinese, Mesopotamians and Egyptians.
But there seemed to be no interest in popular (masculine) debate about how the Roman Empire fell, just its technological achievements. Why?
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker me, too
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@Strandjunker advanced -> ad vance? cannot be good
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@Strandjunker A profound disappointment in humanity.
When pain and injustice become commonplace in the eyes of the world, no amount of material progress can define true civilization. Civilization is built on humanity, not on money or technological advancement. 🥺
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@Strandjunker can't decide if the US government is currently being more or less ridiculous than the Romans appointing a horse to the Senate
@FishNamedDog @Strandjunker tyvm, lying laughing
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@Strandjunker Every civilisation collapses eventually, for different reasons. Quite often the system cannot maintain its complexity any longer because the complexity costs keep growing while the resources dwindle, and often the system tries to solve the problem by adding another layer of even more complexity because that was the thing that had always worked in the past.
Once you stop looking at civilisation as a human endeavour run by a bunch of experts and thinkers and begin to look at it as a self-organising complex system consisting of all kinds of humans, most of whom don't really know what they're doing and just repeating what seemed to work in the past, you begin to realise that every civilisation eventually crosses the point of no return where collapse becomes inevitable. The Industrial Age is quite likely already beyond saving, we crossed the line some twenty years ago. -
@Strandjunker time causes even the fabric of the universe to collapse eventually. With so few ways to go about the good and so much variety in the bad, those hands don't need to do any work. Nobody gets to be surprised.
@bnuybot @Strandjunker sadly yes
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker the key to understanding is definitely the quote marks
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker I understood it. As a teen, I was absolutely certain that the US would lose its position someday. My hope was that I would die of natural causes before it started to happen. But I have been watching for the signs ever since then. I know the general trajectory, so it's not that hard to see when it's happening.
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker I read several articles here on M from what I think are serious sources. "Empires collapsing " or "Dark ages¨. Some suggest that was bad for the VVIP-class perhaps. But the lower ranks in society perhaps never knew what happened. Water was streaming down-hilll anyway, birds laying their eggs. Men farming, hunting, women taking care about the house and fermenting. At the end of the Roman Empire and later, genes from N and S European tribes mixed well. Dark Ages ? At night, yes
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In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.
Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.
@Strandjunker I remember during first couple years of COVID totally revising my evaluation that most zombie apocalypse shows were unrealistic in the poor government responses. Never though all those countries would be out thought by brainless zombies.
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