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  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

    9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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    The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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    @quixoticgeek And not a single panel of solar?

    And... when it fails, will they turn it into another detention centre for people they don't like?

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    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

      9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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      New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

      The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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      @quixoticgeek
      We should ban all these huge data centres. We don't need AI

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      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

        9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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        New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

        The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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        @quixoticgeek ...and it will be the people of Utah who will pay the bill (higher electricity bills, issues with water supply and pressure, etc...)

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        • quoidian@mastodon.onlineQ quoidian@mastodon.online

          @Seb1982 @quixoticgeek
          Disable the cooling system.

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          @quoidian @Seb1982 @quixoticgeek

          #Zodiac was a good book.

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          • ehproque@neopaquita.esE ehproque@neopaquita.es

            @quixoticgeek how much water then? Where's it coming from?

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            @ehproque @quixoticgeek

            See the Colorado River is filled up with water from snow melt that's is eternal, neverending and limitless so.......

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            • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

              9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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              New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

              The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

              favicon

              Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)

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              @quixoticgeek
              Countries need to require all #DataCenters to generate their own (#green) electricity (and only use water-free cooling.)

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              • mighty_orbot@retro.pizzaM mighty_orbot@retro.pizza

                @quixoticgeek “2,000 permanent jobs in the county following construction”? Doing what, sweeping the halls?

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                @mighty_orbot @quixoticgeek

                Licking the wire harnesses clean!

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                • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                  @quixoticgeek And not a single panel of solar?

                  And... when it fails, will they turn it into another detention centre for people they don't like?

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                  @Remittancegirl @quixoticgeek

                  GPUs are going to be used for paving roads!

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                  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                    9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

                    Link Preview Image
                    New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                    The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

                    favicon

                    Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)

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                    #47

                    @quixoticgeek That means 6GW of heat get dissipated into the atmosphere one way or another. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, just released into the atmosphere from where it was bound up as natural gas.
                    What’s the impact of 6GW of additional heat on the climate?

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                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                      9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                      New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                      The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

                      favicon

                      Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)

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                      @quixoticgeek as Ed Zitron loves to remind us, _approved_ does not mean it will ever get built.

                      This will be fought tooth and nail at every inch of the process.

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                      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                        Based on an estimate of 500g CO2/kWh, the one facility would emit ~40MT of CO2 a year. If this one facility was a country, it would rank about 67th, just behind Bulgaria.

                        Concentrating this much energy use in a single location is going to change weather patterns. The environmental impact is just mind boggling.

                        The AI bubble can't burst soon enough.

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                        @quixoticgeek plus the use of drinking water. In Spain, they already have desertification made by a data center ...

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                        • shivviness@beige.partyS shivviness@beige.party

                          @quixoticgeek

                          People need to understand that these datacentres are not just for generating fun pics, they're intended to replace workers en masse, and they're going to ultimately replaces wages.

                          And there's no way Universal Basic Income will be even considered, and notwithstanding the BS that Musk has been spouting recently in favour of UBI.

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                          @Shivviness
                          Add to this the surveillance/analysis/control (Palantir) that will be run on these systems.

                          @quixoticgeek

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                          • mindpersephone@spookygirl.booM mindpersephone@spookygirl.boo

                            @quixoticgeek hang on the thing runs on gas, so an f1 engine gives a vague idea of how much gas its going to need. ~A Saturn five first stage fuel tank every fifteen minutes (rounding to a nice round number)

                            If you've ever seen a person standing next to a Saturn five you have an idea how utterly absurd an amount of fuel that is.

                            With out the pipeline that places shuts down. And we thought the back hoe through the fiber link was a bad problem.

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                            @mindpersephone @quixoticgeek Okay those comparisons are kind of really unusable, you should compare a GW to the average electricity use of about 1 million homes (without heating/cooling)

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                            • profpatsch@mastodon.xyzP profpatsch@mastodon.xyz

                              @mindpersephone @quixoticgeek Okay those comparisons are kind of really unusable, you should compare a GW to the average electricity use of about 1 million homes (without heating/cooling)

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                              @mindpersephone @quixoticgeek The question here is if there’s a market to this much compute, do you think the average person will consume an extra 1kW for inference in 2030? Maybe in the US where natural gas is free right now.

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                              • pst@tldr.nettime.orgP pst@tldr.nettime.org

                                @Shivviness
                                Add to this the surveillance/analysis/control (Palantir) that will be run on these systems.

                                @quixoticgeek

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                                @pst @quixoticgeek

                                Precisely.

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                                • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                  @CppGuy you'd need 45km² of solar to generate 9GW or solar, but assuming the sun is only out for a ⅓rd of the time, you'd probably need closer to 135km², plus the battery storage...

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                                  @quixoticgeek @CppGuy make the solar array 1km wide and run it around the equator. Punctuate it with datacentres every 45km and turn them on and off as the sun goes around. Simple.

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                                  • moopet@toot.cafeM moopet@toot.cafe

                                    @quixoticgeek @CppGuy make the solar array 1km wide and run it around the equator. Punctuate it with datacentres every 45km and turn them on and off as the sun goes around. Simple.

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                                    @moopet @CppGuy datacentre workloads are not despatchable. Also most of the equator is under water.

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                                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                      @moopet @CppGuy datacentre workloads are not despatchable. Also most of the equator is under water.

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                                      @quixoticgeek @CppGuy they can fill floats with natural gas and extend the road over the sea.

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                                      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                        Based on an estimate of 500g CO2/kWh, the one facility would emit ~40MT of CO2 a year. If this one facility was a country, it would rank about 67th, just behind Bulgaria.

                                        Concentrating this much energy use in a single location is going to change weather patterns. The environmental impact is just mind boggling.

                                        The AI bubble can't burst soon enough.

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                                        @quixoticgeek But if it's in a desert it's using locally produced solar power with zero emissions, isn't it?

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                                        • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                          9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                          New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                                          The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

                                          favicon

                                          Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)

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                                          @quixoticgeek @inthehands
                                          They just need to add a geothermal plant to run on the extreme heat generated by the data center

                                          And feed that power back to run the data center ♻️

                                          Free energy! ⚡️

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