Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months.
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@chopsstephens @runoutgroover @violetmadder @aral Seems like a way for Microsoft to find a new income source. If the agentic AI bubble is going to burst, top execs would want to have enough cash to cushion themselves
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral if the current state of GitHub doesn't count as a catastrophic event, I don't know what does
given it literally does not work half the time I have to clone stuff from it at work
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral
Copilot's going to end up on par with bing if they're not more careful.
MS still have pool tables...? Seems like a good LLM-proof career. -
Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral The ultimate iteration of "too big to fail". It'll make the bank bailout seem insignificant.
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral I'm forced to use M$ at work. This is just anecdotal but it's getting slower and buggier, lots of people have been complaining. It's certainly not getting amazingly great.
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral Well either that, or it becoming more expensive than to hire a human programmer.
However one needs to take into account that many people live in a bubble of "OK-ish software". Outside of it there are companies like Atlassian who have products, created by humans, which could be much improved by getting them re-written by AI. There's just so much terrible software out there already.
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral Wherever humans are within the process, they'll be the ones taking the blame in cases of catastrophic failure as management put way too much money into the bot for it to be liable.
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral Betting on disaster to stop them is an illusion; the capital and systems that have tasted the machine's efficiency in erasure and profit will not back down, but will treat victims and software errors as an "acceptable cost" of dominance. When human skill and responsibility fall, humanity falls first
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By “catastrophic” he meant something that causes people to die, etc. (Medical systems, etc.)
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@chopsstephens Yep.
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@violetmadder @chopsstephens Sure looks that way.
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@aral I heard a talk from someone, who said something similar, some months back. I'm worried
webhat (@webhat@infosec.exchange)
OH: I've shipped code to production without understanding what it does, I'm sure we all have, I look at it and ship it No, I haven't. And why would you even look at it? Vibe check?
Infosec Exchange (infosec.exchange)
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral @glynmoody Yes well cue management that thinks it knows better what to do followed by knowing it better how to do it. Tic tic tic tic tic...
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@aral I heard a talk from someone, who said something similar, some months back. I'm worried
webhat (@webhat@infosec.exchange)
OH: I've shipped code to production without understanding what it does, I'm sure we all have, I look at it and ship it No, I haven't. And why would you even look at it? Vibe check?
Infosec Exchange (infosec.exchange)
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral sickos.jpg
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral
In a minor aside, I was forced to use Copi-lot the other day to change a date field in an online Word document. No other way -
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In a minor aside, I was forced to use Copi-lot the other day to change a date field in an online Word document. No other way@jaker Wow.
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Talked to a software engineer at Microsoft working on Copilot Studio today at a social event and he said he was ashamed that he hadn’t written a single line of code in over three months. “I used to take pride in my work.” (They simply create plans in natural language and feed it to the LLM which generates the code. They can’t even do human code reviews anymore as there’s too much code being generated.)
He said a lot of them were waiting for a catastrophic event (something that would take down critical infrastructure) to get top management to reverse course. He seemed to think such a failure was very likely.
Given what we’ve been seeing recently, I tend to agree with him. Although I feel they will just double down. There’s too much money in the pot for them to fold.
@aral "Can't do code review because too much code is being generated" is right up there with "well someone would have developed it anyway". AI is just software. It's being driven by humans. If those humans prioritize code review over making their software generate code, it by definition cannot produce code faster than they can review it. So what that statement really means is "we don't care about reviewing code."
