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  3. We have published an open letter to Google opposing the Android Developer Verification Program with over 30 organizations as signatories: https://keepandroidopen.org/open-letter/

We have published an open letter to Google opposing the Android Developer Verification Program with over 30 organizations as signatories: https://keepandroidopen.org/open-letter/

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  • keepandroidopen@techhub.socialK keepandroidopen@techhub.social

    We have published an open letter to Google opposing the Android Developer Verification Program with over 30 organizations as signatories: https://keepandroidopen.org/open-letter/

    maikel@vmst.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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    @keepandroidopen how's this even happening ? Didn't the EU force them both to allow 3rd-party stores ?

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    • maikel@vmst.ioM maikel@vmst.io

      @keepandroidopen how's this even happening ? Didn't the EU force them both to allow 3rd-party stores ?

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      @maikel @keepandroidopen
      They did, and the text also mentions that gatekeepers are allowed to take reasonable mesures to preserve the security of the platforms (here, Android). Technically, Google's announced change does not block third-party stores. It just forces them to go through another form of gatekeeping.

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      • docta_gervais@social.tchncs.deD docta_gervais@social.tchncs.de

        @maikel @keepandroidopen
        They did, and the text also mentions that gatekeepers are allowed to take reasonable mesures to preserve the security of the platforms (here, Android). Technically, Google's announced change does not block third-party stores. It just forces them to go through another form of gatekeeping.

        maikel@vmst.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @docta_gervais this is the same as the no cookies policy.

        We still get the cookies, just with extra annoying pop-ups where "no" is in very small print or directly hidden.

        We need better legislators with better knowledge of how tech works.

        @keepandroidopen

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        • docta_gervais@social.tchncs.deD docta_gervais@social.tchncs.de

          @maikel @keepandroidopen
          They did, and the text also mentions that gatekeepers are allowed to take reasonable mesures to preserve the security of the platforms (here, Android). Technically, Google's announced change does not block third-party stores. It just forces them to go through another form of gatekeeping.

          docta_gervais@social.tchncs.deD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @maikel @keepandroidopen

          DMA III. 6.4: "The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper."

          https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32022R1925#006.004

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          • maikel@vmst.ioM maikel@vmst.io

            @docta_gervais this is the same as the no cookies policy.

            We still get the cookies, just with extra annoying pop-ups where "no" is in very small print or directly hidden.

            We need better legislators with better knowledge of how tech works.

            @keepandroidopen

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            @maikel @keepandroidopen
            The EU did learn something from the cookie debacle in GDPR: in the DMA regulation that came after they explicitly specified that (another) user consent could only be asked once per year. That avoids the "ask users until they say yes" problem.

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            • docta_gervais@social.tchncs.deD docta_gervais@social.tchncs.de

              @maikel @keepandroidopen

              DMA III. 6.4: "The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper."

              https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32022R1925#006.004

              maikel@vmst.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @docta_gervais thank you @keepandroidopen

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              • maikel@vmst.ioM maikel@vmst.io

                @docta_gervais this is the same as the no cookies policy.

                We still get the cookies, just with extra annoying pop-ups where "no" is in very small print or directly hidden.

                We need better legislators with better knowledge of how tech works.

                @keepandroidopen

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                @maikel @docta_gervais Its the businesses who decide what they collect and process. GDPR makes them only report those to you, which is a good thing. The bad thing is that soo many businesses collect your data and they take any excuse they get.

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                • maikel@vmst.ioM maikel@vmst.io

                  @docta_gervais thank you @keepandroidopen

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                  @maikel @docta_gervais @keepandroidopen Recital 50 Subparagraph 2 of the DMA: β€ž[…] The gatekeeper should be prevented from implementing such measures as a default setting or as pre-installation.β€œ

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                  • keepandroidopen@techhub.socialK keepandroidopen@techhub.social

                    We have published an open letter to Google opposing the Android Developer Verification Program with over 30 organizations as signatories: https://keepandroidopen.org/open-letter/

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                    @captainepoch@stereophonic.space, is @husky@stereophonic.space interested in signing?

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                      @derderwish @keepandroidopen context?

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                      • ruisan@masto.esR ruisan@masto.es

                        @derderwish @keepandroidopen context?

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                        @ruisan @keepandroidopen Sorry, it was meant to be a response to another post. πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«

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                        • derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD derderwish@social.chaotikum.org

                          @ruisan @keepandroidopen Sorry, it was meant to be a response to another post. πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«

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                          @derderwish @keepandroidopen no problem

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