“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt Genuine question: who uses systemd-userdbd? Because that's where this is implemented. Debian for sure doesn't use it by default (unless I missed something).
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@zzt Genuine question: who uses systemd-userdbd? Because that's where this is implemented. Debian for sure doesn't use it by default (unless I missed something).
@chiraag gentoo, arch, everything else that uses logind including debian if you configure it to do so https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15175
genuine answer though: you’re missing the point by a mile
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“it’s just a column in a database, aren’t you being dramatic” thanks fucker, believe it or not I know how software works and I know perfectly well the type of horrid crap we can build on top of a simple backend if it’s encapsulated in the right type of system
@zzt "It's just a column in a database" is also a great rebuttal to any commentary about the Federal Reserve.
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@zzt "It's just a column in a database" is also a great rebuttal to any commentary about the Federal Reserve.
@jwz I’m trying hard to not bring up the prison industrial complex or IBM’s role in automating concentration camps but shit these assholes really need the reminder
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“it’s just a column in a database, aren’t you being dramatic” thanks fucker, believe it or not I know how software works and I know perfectly well the type of horrid crap we can build on top of a simple backend if it’s encapsulated in the right type of system
@zzt Relax, man. It's just a numerical identifier in a database. It's harmless.
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@zzt @MrBerard "age verification code" is a bit of a grandiose term for a field that can store a value and retrieve a value. There is nothing anywhere in systemd that determines how (or even if) a distro decides what value to put into that field.
Even if it does get used by a distro, it is likely to be something along the lines of
"please enter your age. don't lie because that would be naughty > "when creating a new user account.
@losttourist @zzt @MrBerard "just accept this tiny fragment of shit in your cereal. I promise you'll hardly taste it" (later, having accepted the shit) "now that we've established you'll accept a little shit, all your meals will consist of 50% shit as a cost containment strategy".
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@zzt Relax, man. It's just a numerical identifier in a database. It's harmless.
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@PixelRobot @zzt I'm sure it won't turn into something devastating later. That never happens in exploitative capitalism. </s>
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@PixelRobot @zzt I'm sure it won't turn into something devastating later. That never happens in exploitative capitalism. </s>
@perigee @PixelRobot the only time we can push back on something bad is when it’s far, far too late
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feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
@zzt "it's just a little x, it's just one y"
IT IS NEVER "Just" ANYTHING IF IT IS MORE THAN NOTHING. FUCK YOU.
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“it’s just a column in a database, aren’t you being dramatic” thanks fucker, believe it or not I know how software works and I know perfectly well the type of horrid crap we can build on top of a simple backend if it’s encapsulated in the right type of system
“it’s just a column in a database” said presumably a full grown adult whose ability to live under capitalism is a column in their bank’s database
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@MrBerard without solidarity, I can guarantee that your experience on an illegal distro developed under the radar will be extremely bad, though that’s a bit immaterial to be honest, as the point of this law isn’t to protect anyone but rather to provide an excuse for a fascist system to hurt you. thus, “can’t I just run a web browser on my thermostat”, yes and they’ll send men to your door the moment you do anything worthwhile with it
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“it’s just a column in a database, aren’t you being dramatic” thanks fucker, believe it or not I know how software works and I know perfectly well the type of horrid crap we can build on top of a simple backend if it’s encapsulated in the right type of system
@zzt tbqh i'm surprised they are actually implementing the field instead of just asking an llm to guess my age and then never bothering to check if it works
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
“they can’t force FreeDOS or ITS users to implement age verification!” you know, I don’t think the fascists give a single fuck if you spend a relatively short period of time jacking around on increasingly expensive retro hardware before it dies and/or is priced out of your grasp. I think if they force you to do that as the only way to experience a computer you control, they’ve won.
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“they can’t force FreeDOS or ITS users to implement age verification!” you know, I don’t think the fascists give a single fuck if you spend a relatively short period of time jacking around on increasingly expensive retro hardware before it dies and/or is priced out of your grasp. I think if they force you to do that as the only way to experience a computer you control, they’ve won.
I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
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@zzt tbqh i'm surprised they are actually implementing the field instead of just asking an llm to guess my age and then never bothering to check if it works
@cap_ybarra that’s effectively red hat’s mission statement at this point
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@davidgerard @zzt @MrBerard Not ITS but
telnetting to SDF with Emacs it's a solved problem for Mastodon
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@chiraag gentoo, arch, everything else that uses logind including debian if you configure it to do so https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15175
genuine answer though: you’re missing the point by a mile
@zzt On Debian, it's literally a separate package (systemd-userdbd) with Priority: optional. So no, you're just wrong (that bug might have been true at some point, but it's a separate package in Debian at this point in time).
Go complain to your distro to break out the package. Debian gets this right. libnss-systemd recommends that package, but you can disable installing recommended packages automatically (which I do by default), meaning it's not installed for me.
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@zzt On Debian, it's literally a separate package (systemd-userdbd) with Priority: optional. So no, you're just wrong (that bug might have been true at some point, but it's a separate package in Debian at this point in time).
Go complain to your distro to break out the package. Debian gets this right. libnss-systemd recommends that package, but you can disable installing recommended packages automatically (which I do by default), meaning it's not installed for me.
@zzt And no, I'm not missing the point. The point is that anyone who uses systemd-userdbd is affected, so the solution is to make it an optional bit of systemd (which Debian already does). Additionally, that bug was fixed, so users _can_ disable systemd-userdbd.{service,socket} now.
I don't like this bullshit for sure, though. I just feel like being accurate matters here, and so much of what you're saying is wrong or at best misleading.
