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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype.

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  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

    Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

    dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @david_chisnall maybe that was his example of how LLMs were providing benefits to society?

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    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

      Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

      miblo@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
      miblo@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @david_chisnall Sounds just like arguing for car crashes adding value to the economy, on the basis that they can bring in business for garages / car dealers.

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      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

        Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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        @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange commitment. Also a characteristic of spammers.

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        • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

          @david_chisnall maybe that was his example of how LLMs were providing benefits to society?

          david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @dysfun It was. Literally. The economy benefits because third-rate sales people are able to do more cold calling (meanwhile, the first-rate ones are building trust with their customers, who then buy more things from them, something LLMs do not help with at all).

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          • miblo@mas.toM miblo@mas.to

            @david_chisnall Sounds just like arguing for car crashes adding value to the economy, on the basis that they can bring in business for garages / car dealers.

            the_wub@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            @miblo @david_chisnall Not to mention funeral homes.

            Then there are venture capital funded care homes and companies providing support for the now disabled car drivers/passengers in their homes and modified cars for those with life changing injuries.

            All these services being paid for by taxpayers thus increasing profit for the private companies involved by moving money that the government raises from its citizens into the pockets of speculators in the private sector.

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            • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

              Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

              mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @david_chisnall Let me turn this on its head. You are the gateway drug to someone getting more involved in the Fediverse. Maybe it'll transform the person over time - assuming they didn't just spin up an intentional troll account.

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              • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

                @miblo @david_chisnall Not to mention funeral homes.

                Then there are venture capital funded care homes and companies providing support for the now disabled car drivers/passengers in their homes and modified cars for those with life changing injuries.

                All these services being paid for by taxpayers thus increasing profit for the private companies involved by moving money that the government raises from its citizens into the pockets of speculators in the private sector.

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                @the_wub @david_chisnall Oh gosh, yeah! All the kind of activities a society'd go for if it only recognises one kind of value: monetary.

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                • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                  Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

                  nske@ravenation.clubN This user is from outside of this forum
                  nske@ravenation.clubN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @david_chisnall This has made something click in my head, it's always about the spam isn't it? Like, everyone stopped answering their landline because of it, then email spam became a solved problem so then we got social media spam instead which drove people away from social media. So now we've got content spam that didn't even get written by anyone.

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                  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                    Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

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                    @david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?

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                    • toldtheworld@mastodon.socialT toldtheworld@mastodon.social

                      @david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?

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                      @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I've heard it's an improvement on conventional speech-to-text. Anecdotal, but anecdotes from people with e.g. major motor disabilities who actually rely on voice typing as a tool.

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                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                        Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.

                        stuartb@social.teamb.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @david_chisnall all we need now is someone to use an LLM to answer spam calls...

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                        • individeweal@mas.toI individeweal@mas.to

                          @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I've heard it's an improvement on conventional speech-to-text. Anecdotal, but anecdotes from people with e.g. major motor disabilities who actually rely on voice typing as a tool.

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                          @individeweal @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I couldn't quickly find it, but in last half week or so I saw about someone with specific accessibility needs around mobility having an LLM create a tool working how they needed it to, IIRC for navigating on computer.

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