How far back in time can you understand English?
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
Interestingly, as a German, I can understand quite a lot of the very old texts. But my mother had a PHD in English and French and knew a lot about old Germanic sagas and medieval German literature. So, that is nothing foreign to me.
If you read anything from Walther von der Vogelweide, you will clearly see the similarities to the oldest texts. Words and grammar are recognizable, and if you can read one, you can read the other.
But even in Shakespeare's time, you will find a lot of those common roots of our languages, and if you get used to the different spelling, the sound of it rings familiar. And as late as in Jane Austen's times, even the number format was still the same as in German, for instance, four-and-twenty and not twenty-four.
After all, with all the lost grammar and words, modern English is just a watered-down version of old German.
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay This was fun! I got through 1300 and just...gave up at 1200. I caught the inflections, the issue was vocab for me!
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That's fascinating. Thanks for posting. 1200 was where I really started to struggle.
@CppGuy @Natasha_Jay I found it pretty easy to read until 1300. The 1200 section I can understand about as well as (modern) Dutch. After that, I'm completely lost.
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@Natasha_Jay As English is not my first language I'm proud that I made it as far as 1200.
@rozeboosje @Natasha_Jay Wow, that's impressive! What is/are your native language(s)?
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@Natasha_Jay That's fantastic.
I got as far as 1200.
@hedders @Natasha_Jay Same. 1100 defeated me.
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay probably got a bit further than most, but only because I also speak Dutch
Amazing how they converge. -
@Natasha_Jay@tech.lgbt I can read 1600 pretty easily, and mostly read 1500 slowly. For 1400 I can make out some sentence fragments, leading me to a very rough outline of what's happening in the story. For 1300 I can make out a few individual words and short phrases, but there's not nearly enough for me to understand what is happening. For 1200 I don't understand any of it.
Reading from present time backwards I was clear on the narrators voice through 1300, but not the statements from others.
If you'd just handed me a section from 1300 or 1400 I think I would have been lost, and struggled mightily with even the 1500s.
Though a search and replace of f for s would simplify quite a bit there
I once painted a scroll using spelling from the mid 1100s and at the time I could read it clearly!
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay omg!! Great find. On my reading list for tomorrow 🤩
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I made it till 1200, I think German being my first language helped me in the end.
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
I am German, English is my third foreign language (after Latin).
In the 1800s, I had two words that seemed unusual to me or that I had to deduce from the context. In the 1600s, there were three. From 1500 onwards, it became a little more difficult, with one word unusual and three unknown: ‘prees’, 'avys' and ‘thyder’.
I had real difficulties with the 1400s. -
I am German, English is my third foreign language (after Latin).
In the 1800s, I had two words that seemed unusual to me or that I had to deduce from the context. In the 1600s, there were three. From 1500 onwards, it became a little more difficult, with one word unusual and three unknown: ‘prees’, 'avys' and ‘thyder’.
I had real difficulties with the 1400s.Interestingly, the 1300s were easier to understand again, with the meaning becoming clear after reading the text a second time. From 1200 onwards, however, I was lost.
Thank you so much for this entertaining post!
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay @TCMuffin I made it all the way back to 1000 but then I’m interested in our lost letters like æ and þ (I have the icelandic keyboard set up so I can type the letters they still use) and I have some German.
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@Natasha_Jay @WeirdWriter This I’ve got to read, but it needs to be done on the Braille display. I’m currently working my way through the daily diary of a Brit named Samuel Pepys from the year 1666. As far as I know it’s presented just as he wrote it, and it’s fascinating to see how certain words have evolved from then to now. Also grammatical changes. If I tried to read it in audio it would be a slog.
@Thumper1964 @Natasha_Jay @WeirdWriter
For those interested, Samuel Pepys is also in the Fediverse: @samuelpepys
He's a 17th century guy so he can really be a sexist asshole. He's an interesting person to follow, not many people from the 17th century around here
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@rozeboosje @Natasha_Jay Wow, that's impressive! What is/are your native language(s)?
@chiraag @Natasha_Jay Dutch... I can understand German, too, but I'm not very confident speaking it and even less writing it.
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@Natasha_Jay @TCMuffin I made it all the way back to 1000 but then I’m interested in our lost letters like æ and þ (I have the icelandic keyboard set up so I can type the letters they still use) and I have some German.
That's so very impressive
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay
1200 was pretty much a brick wall for me -
How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay if it starts with lingo that teens and twenty somethings use now, I won’t make it very far.
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@Natasha_Jay I've read Chaucer, lets give it a bash.
EDIT: Made it to 1000 CE
@thejessiekirk @Natasha_Jay Same with Chaucer but it's been a looong while. Made it to around 1200 without a problem, I could decifer to around 1000 but then I stood no chance. But I'm native German, I'd say that did actually help me in some cases.
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@Natasha_Jay Neat! Until 1500 it was alright, but no idea what to make of the weirder letters earlier on.
@murks @Natasha_Jay Basically they are th and gh as well as the long-s, if you also replace some cases of v<->u and y<->g you should be able to decifer back to 1200 roughly
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How far back in time can you understand English?
It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.
"... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."
How far back in time can you understand English?
An experiment in language change
(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
@Natasha_Jay I got to the 11th century. Could not read the tenth.
