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  3. The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died, was one of the most consequential events I covered.

The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died, was one of the most consequential events I covered.

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  • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

    @troed @newsguyusa @David @jerrej Misinformation.

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    @meltedcheese @troed @newsguyusa @David

    Could you please form a coherent sentence?

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    • newsguyusa@flipboard.socialN newsguyusa@flipboard.social

      The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died, was one of the most consequential events I covered. It began 15 years ago today. A quake triggered a tsunami, which destroyed a nuclear power plant. Three reactors melted down. The radioactive cleanup could last a century and cost $1 trillion.

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      @newsguyusa Did you, or do you know of other press, follow up on the US Navy folks that were irradiated from this?

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      • newsguyusa@flipboard.socialN newsguyusa@flipboard.social

        The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died, was one of the most consequential events I covered. It began 15 years ago today. A quake triggered a tsunami, which destroyed a nuclear power plant. Three reactors melted down. The radioactive cleanup could last a century and cost $1 trillion.

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        @newsguyusa

        Politely, alarmist bullshit.

        23,000 people died in the great Tōhoku Earthquake and Tsunami. The reactor meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi plant *were a sideshow* which didn't directly kill anyone at the time: if the operators hadn't put the diesel fuel for the backup generators somewhere stupid, or had built the sea wall just one metre higher, the meltdowns wouldn't have happened. (The reactors survived the quake intact, the meltdown happened when the coolant pumps stopped.)

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        • tjc_2@mastodon.socialT tjc_2@mastodon.social

          @newsguyusa

          They want more nukes? NO NUKES, is my response.

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          @TJC_2 It turns out @newsguyusa is lying to you. Ask yourself whose interest this narrative serves and he's pretty obviously distributing propaganda for the coal/oil/gas lobby.

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          • newsguyusa@flipboard.socialN newsguyusa@flipboard.social

            The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died, was one of the most consequential events I covered. It began 15 years ago today. A quake triggered a tsunami, which destroyed a nuclear power plant. Three reactors melted down. The radioactive cleanup could last a century and cost $1 trillion.

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            @newsguyusa Steve, I think people are getting confused by this post.

            The death toll for the tsunami was around 20K with around 2500 still missing presumed dead. The death toll for the nuclear disaster was about 1.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami

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            • david@setouchi.socialD david@setouchi.social

              @newsguyusa "The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died." Why are you uttering such misleading sentences?

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              @David @newsguyusa he's mixing up the tsunami and the nuclear disaster.

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              • mickevk@mastodon.nuM mickevk@mastodon.nu

                @pluralistic You wouldn't forward antivaccine narratives. Look this one up and you'll see why this is the same. Be responsible about what you post.

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                @mickevk @pluralistic that's unfair; Steve's a professional journalist who provides great news coverage here. He's mixed up the tsunami deaths and the nuclear plant deaths. It's a subtle mistake but not disinformation.

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                • motofix@mamot.frM motofix@mamot.fr

                  @newsguyusa @pluralistic the first sentence of this post is too close to fake news. 23k people didn't died from "Fukushima disaster", but from the tsunami.

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                  @motofix @newsguyusa @pluralistic It's an honest mistake, I think.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @newsguyusa

                    Politely, alarmist bullshit.

                    23,000 people died in the great Tōhoku Earthquake and Tsunami. The reactor meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi plant *were a sideshow* which didn't directly kill anyone at the time: if the operators hadn't put the diesel fuel for the backup generators somewhere stupid, or had built the sea wall just one metre higher, the meltdowns wouldn't have happened. (The reactors survived the quake intact, the meltdown happened when the coolant pumps stopped.)

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                    @cstross @newsguyusa That's not correct. The deaths counted are from the evacuation, not the earthquake/tsunami. They didn't die from falling concrete or drowning. They were largely people who were old or had health conditions who were subjected to stress during the evacuation from the fallout area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident_casualties

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                    • newsguyusa@flipboard.socialN newsguyusa@flipboard.social

                      The Fukushima disaster, in which 23,000 people died, was one of the most consequential events I covered. It began 15 years ago today. A quake triggered a tsunami, which destroyed a nuclear power plant. Three reactors melted down. The radioactive cleanup could last a century and cost $1 trillion.

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                      @Steve Herman
                      Fukushima disaster


                      Nobody died because of Fukushima disaster. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        @newsguyusa

                        Politely, alarmist bullshit.

                        23,000 people died in the great Tōhoku Earthquake and Tsunami. The reactor meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi plant *were a sideshow* which didn't directly kill anyone at the time: if the operators hadn't put the diesel fuel for the backup generators somewhere stupid, or had built the sea wall just one metre higher, the meltdowns wouldn't have happened. (The reactors survived the quake intact, the meltdown happened when the coolant pumps stopped.)

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                        @cstross @newsguyusa Steve has been reporting news for VOA and on the Fediverse for years. I think this is an honest mistake, not intentional bullshit.

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                        • troed@masto.sangberg.seT troed@masto.sangberg.se

                          @meltedcheese

                          ... and only you know the real numbers?

                          Gut feelings aren't facts. Feel free to source your claims with reputable sources.

                          @newsguyusa @David

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                          @troed
                          The nature of deaths by environmental radiation is that they are anonymous, but mathematically certain. So, easy to deny, but clearly existing. @meltedcheese @newsguyusa @David

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                          • kerrymitchell@mastodon.socialK kerrymitchell@mastodon.social

                            @cstross @newsguyusa That's not correct. The deaths counted are from the evacuation, not the earthquake/tsunami. They didn't die from falling concrete or drowning. They were largely people who were old or had health conditions who were subjected to stress during the evacuation from the fallout area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident_casualties

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                            @cstross @newsguyusa Estimates are that the increased cancers caused if people had stayed in place would have been about 1500, so overall mortality would probably have been lower if people had sheltered in place, but it was considered the best course of action in the moment to evacuate half a million people: https://cancerhistoryproject.com/article/the-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-accident-10-years-later/

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                            • osteopenia_powers@newsie.socialO osteopenia_powers@newsie.social

                              @troed
                              The nature of deaths by environmental radiation is that they are anonymous, but mathematically certain. So, easy to deny, but clearly existing. @meltedcheese @newsguyusa @David

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                              @Osteopenia_Powers

                              Feel free to back up your gut feeling (eg. "clearly") with reputable sources.

                              @meltedcheese @newsguyusa @David

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                              • troed@masto.sangberg.seT troed@masto.sangberg.se

                                @Osteopenia_Powers

                                Feel free to back up your gut feeling (eg. "clearly") with reputable sources.

                                @meltedcheese @newsguyusa @David

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                                @troed
                                https://www.britannica.com/animal/sea-lion@meltedcheese@c.im @newsguyusa @David

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                                • osteopenia_powers@newsie.socialO osteopenia_powers@newsie.social

                                  @troed
                                  https://www.britannica.com/animal/sea-lion@meltedcheese@c.im @newsguyusa @David

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                                  @Osteopenia_Powers https://www.newscientist.com/people/karl-popper/

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                                  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                    @mickevk @pluralistic that's unfair; Steve's a professional journalist who provides great news coverage here. He's mixed up the tsunami deaths and the nuclear plant deaths. It's a subtle mistake but not disinformation.

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                                    @evan @pluralistic Maybe it is! I don't know the context of the journalist, only the context of the narrative. However, he's not taking it down?

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                                    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                      @cstross @newsguyusa Steve has been reporting news for VOA and on the Fediverse for years. I think this is an honest mistake, not intentional bullshit.

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                                      @evan As a professional journalist @newsguyusa should know the importance of fact checking and source validation.

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                                      • troed@masto.sangberg.seT troed@masto.sangberg.se

                                        @meltedcheese

                                        ... and only you know the real numbers?

                                        Gut feelings aren't facts. Feel free to source your claims with reputable sources.

                                        @newsguyusa @David

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                                        @troed @newsguyusa @David I was there, a scientist working for the US Gov., and on the loop with access to both embassy and military info as it emerged. As you can imagine, the Japanese government wanted to carefully control public information as did TEPCO, and the US respected their wishes. With the US info on one hand and the Japan/Tepco public statements on the other, I’m quite confident in asserting that the situation was considerably more dangerous than was ever revealed. We were given a three day supply of iodine tabs and told to evacuate. So no, I have only my lived experience and information I gained from sources I can’t cite. Not ideal, I understand.

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                                        • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                                          @troed @newsguyusa @David I was there, a scientist working for the US Gov., and on the loop with access to both embassy and military info as it emerged. As you can imagine, the Japanese government wanted to carefully control public information as did TEPCO, and the US respected their wishes. With the US info on one hand and the Japan/Tepco public statements on the other, I’m quite confident in asserting that the situation was considerably more dangerous than was ever revealed. We were given a three day supply of iodine tabs and told to evacuate. So no, I have only my lived experience and information I gained from sources I can’t cite. Not ideal, I understand.

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                                          @meltedcheese

                                          You are the source for the claim that Tepco rounded up homeless people for cleanup work who later died?

                                          @newsguyusa @David

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