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  3. 87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

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  • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

    @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

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    @rasmus91 @killyourfm I don't understand what loss they are at if someone else makes compatibility patch and offers game for download. You're not selling or distributing it anymore, so what's the issue? Only rule should be it shouldn't be financially motivated with exception of distribution costs and work on the compatibility. Take GOG as example if they take over since it costs to maintain it.

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    • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

      87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

      As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

      This is all very messed up.

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      @killyourfm

      Also here:
      https://mastodon.archive.org/@internetarchive/114466919283908863

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      • rejzor@mastodon.socialR rejzor@mastodon.social

        @rasmus91 @killyourfm I don't understand what loss they are at if someone else makes compatibility patch and offers game for download. You're not selling or distributing it anymore, so what's the issue? Only rule should be it shouldn't be financially motivated with exception of distribution costs and work on the compatibility. Take GOG as example if they take over since it costs to maintain it.

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        @rejzor @rasmus91 "BUT MY COPYRIGHTS AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!"

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        • keyshooter@akko.wtfK keyshooter@akko.wtf
          @killyourfm there is no interest in preserving old games for multiple reasons, lots of old libraries and hardware that would require a herculean effort to replicate, and even if it was possible it won't be a 1 to 1, ofc there is a financial incentive in not letting libraries store this pieces of media, I won't deny that
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          @keyshooter @killyourfm It’s amazing what emulator hobbyists can do

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          • avirr@sfba.socialA avirr@sfba.social

            @keyshooter @killyourfm It’s amazing what emulator hobbyists can do

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            @avirr @killyourfm always remember to donate to your favorite emulator open source project
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            • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

              @rejzor @rasmus91 "BUT MY COPYRIGHTS AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!"

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              @killyourfm @rejzor WOULD YOU STOP WITH THE PROFANITY?!

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              • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                This is all very messed up.

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                @killyourfm The good news is that the vast majority of them are not server dependent, and so the bootlegs will run forever. Preserving current generation games will be much more difficult.

                Someone mentioned The 7th Guest. It has been revived in VR, and is amazing.

                It is messed up that different types of media have different rules, based on how effectively that specific industry has bought Congress.

                What if there was Spotify for games, with a similar complete catalog?

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                • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                  87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                  As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                  This is all very messed up.

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                  @killyourfm Beyond the legal barriers, many old games cannot even run on modern hardware or operating systems for technical reasons.

                  Games should be made open source to preserve them for future generations.

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                  Let’s make games open source, so future generations can enjoy them

                  As platforms evolve, old games become unplayable. Open sourcing them will help us preserve them for future generations.

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                  • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                    87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                    As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                    This is all very messed up.

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                    @killyourfm So...one could build a MAME cabinet at a local library and they can legally run all the old games on it, there, on site? As in, one could, as long as one was on library owned property, just build a whole arcade of old games for zero dollars? I feel like if the local hobbyist community donated the hardware this might be an easy sell for some libraries.

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                    • dirtwizard666@cyberpunk.lolD dirtwizard666@cyberpunk.lol

                      @killyourfm So...one could build a MAME cabinet at a local library and they can legally run all the old games on it, there, on site? As in, one could, as long as one was on library owned property, just build a whole arcade of old games for zero dollars? I feel like if the local hobbyist community donated the hardware this might be an easy sell for some libraries.

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                      @dirtwizard666 Fascinating idea! I'm not sure of the legalities there, but it might be worth asking your local library about it.

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                      • dirtwizard666@cyberpunk.lolD dirtwizard666@cyberpunk.lol

                        @killyourfm So...one could build a MAME cabinet at a local library and they can legally run all the old games on it, there, on site? As in, one could, as long as one was on library owned property, just build a whole arcade of old games for zero dollars? I feel like if the local hobbyist community donated the hardware this might be an easy sell for some libraries.

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                        @dirtwizard666 @killyourfm the specific exemption is for
                        "Video games in the form of computer programs embodied in physical or downloaded formats that have been lawfully acquired as complete games, that do not require access to an external computer server for gameplay, and that are no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace, solely for the purpose of preservation of the game in a playable form by an eligible library, archives, or museum, where such activities are carried out without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and the video game is not distributed or made available outside of the physical premises of the eligible library, archives, or museum."
                        so you would need to actually acquire the games in order to do this

                        https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-24563/p-254

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                        • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

                          @killyourfm this is a futher reason i don't have any interest in owning anything nintendo. They are just horrible through and through.

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                          @rasmus91 @killyourfm after the past few years of lawsuits, I am not buying anything from Nintendo anymore.

                          If ever I do, it will be once it can be bought second hand so they don’t get anything from it.

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                          • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

                            @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

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                            @rasmus91 @killyourfm So what you're saying is copyright revocation needs to be a thing for abandonware?

                            You can't count on the copyright holder to make a patch to disable DRM... but you probably could count on someone in the community doing that.

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                            • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

                              @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

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                              @rasmus91 @killyourfm not just games, all software...

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