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after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

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    after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

    it's been something i've thought a lot about ever since getting on estrogen and progesterone and my sexual response changing so much that i describe myself as having "phantom pussy" sensations. when they occur, they're impossible to truly resolve and the best i can hope for is being able to sidestep them, but a lot of the time they end in frustrated, heartbroken tears

    i think a big reason why it took me so long to accept this course was that my longest, pre-transition relationship was marked by that girlfriend being pretty explicit about not wanting me to express femininity and requiring me to /perform/ boyfriendness, as it were. any time i wasn't topping or actively giving her pleasure was a turn-off for her. the thing i could never reconcile about it was that she was both bisexual and nonbinary: i thought my transformation would be as appealing to her and her was to me (we started out cis4cis), but no such luck.

    the next few partners i had since then didn't get the brunt of this feeling i had even if they did see snippets, but they were largely ambivalently supportive about it, which was a welcome change of pace and maybe would be the ideal response in a good world

    but as i told @eri about this, not only was she firmly supportive, but she said she's excited and even into it. like she's hyped to have me as her partner do that.

    ... i hadn't realized how much i needed that to undo my past until i had it from her. i have a well-documented tendency to scrounge joy from things as long as i see they make my partner happy - stemming from my upbringing and buttressed by that pre-transition relationship - so it's so easy for me to make a kind of uneasy peace with my body as it is. but without that - and actually having the opposite of that - i feel so much lighter making that call for myself

    just recently, i told that ex of mine - we're still good friends - about my plan and accidentally painted myself into a corner by mentioning obliquely that i've historically had a hard time feeling like choices like this are okay/not selfish. it was honestly a bit jarring to see that she was a little bit defensive about it, with the standard normative talking points of "well, everybody finds different things attractive"

    which is totally fair, everyone gets to choose who they're with... but that's also not the stance a transitioning person needs from their partner. especially with how even for someone who knows they need a big medical intervention, the process can come with temporary fears to proceed where you need encouragement instead of "well if it's scary, then it might not be for you"

    in that moment i vividly felt so grateful that i'm not in a relationship with her anymore but instead with @eri

    now i have what i need

    #transfem #trans #transition

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    • tessa@fandom.gardenT tessa@fandom.garden

      after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

      it's been something i've thought a lot about ever since getting on estrogen and progesterone and my sexual response changing so much that i describe myself as having "phantom pussy" sensations. when they occur, they're impossible to truly resolve and the best i can hope for is being able to sidestep them, but a lot of the time they end in frustrated, heartbroken tears

      i think a big reason why it took me so long to accept this course was that my longest, pre-transition relationship was marked by that girlfriend being pretty explicit about not wanting me to express femininity and requiring me to /perform/ boyfriendness, as it were. any time i wasn't topping or actively giving her pleasure was a turn-off for her. the thing i could never reconcile about it was that she was both bisexual and nonbinary: i thought my transformation would be as appealing to her and her was to me (we started out cis4cis), but no such luck.

      the next few partners i had since then didn't get the brunt of this feeling i had even if they did see snippets, but they were largely ambivalently supportive about it, which was a welcome change of pace and maybe would be the ideal response in a good world

      but as i told @eri about this, not only was she firmly supportive, but she said she's excited and even into it. like she's hyped to have me as her partner do that.

      ... i hadn't realized how much i needed that to undo my past until i had it from her. i have a well-documented tendency to scrounge joy from things as long as i see they make my partner happy - stemming from my upbringing and buttressed by that pre-transition relationship - so it's so easy for me to make a kind of uneasy peace with my body as it is. but without that - and actually having the opposite of that - i feel so much lighter making that call for myself

      just recently, i told that ex of mine - we're still good friends - about my plan and accidentally painted myself into a corner by mentioning obliquely that i've historically had a hard time feeling like choices like this are okay/not selfish. it was honestly a bit jarring to see that she was a little bit defensive about it, with the standard normative talking points of "well, everybody finds different things attractive"

      which is totally fair, everyone gets to choose who they're with... but that's also not the stance a transitioning person needs from their partner. especially with how even for someone who knows they need a big medical intervention, the process can come with temporary fears to proceed where you need encouragement instead of "well if it's scary, then it might not be for you"

      in that moment i vividly felt so grateful that i'm not in a relationship with her anymore but instead with @eri

      now i have what i need

      #transfem #trans #transition

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      @Tessa @eri So happy for you!

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      • tessa@fandom.gardenT tessa@fandom.garden

        after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

        it's been something i've thought a lot about ever since getting on estrogen and progesterone and my sexual response changing so much that i describe myself as having "phantom pussy" sensations. when they occur, they're impossible to truly resolve and the best i can hope for is being able to sidestep them, but a lot of the time they end in frustrated, heartbroken tears

        i think a big reason why it took me so long to accept this course was that my longest, pre-transition relationship was marked by that girlfriend being pretty explicit about not wanting me to express femininity and requiring me to /perform/ boyfriendness, as it were. any time i wasn't topping or actively giving her pleasure was a turn-off for her. the thing i could never reconcile about it was that she was both bisexual and nonbinary: i thought my transformation would be as appealing to her and her was to me (we started out cis4cis), but no such luck.

        the next few partners i had since then didn't get the brunt of this feeling i had even if they did see snippets, but they were largely ambivalently supportive about it, which was a welcome change of pace and maybe would be the ideal response in a good world

        but as i told @eri about this, not only was she firmly supportive, but she said she's excited and even into it. like she's hyped to have me as her partner do that.

        ... i hadn't realized how much i needed that to undo my past until i had it from her. i have a well-documented tendency to scrounge joy from things as long as i see they make my partner happy - stemming from my upbringing and buttressed by that pre-transition relationship - so it's so easy for me to make a kind of uneasy peace with my body as it is. but without that - and actually having the opposite of that - i feel so much lighter making that call for myself

        just recently, i told that ex of mine - we're still good friends - about my plan and accidentally painted myself into a corner by mentioning obliquely that i've historically had a hard time feeling like choices like this are okay/not selfish. it was honestly a bit jarring to see that she was a little bit defensive about it, with the standard normative talking points of "well, everybody finds different things attractive"

        which is totally fair, everyone gets to choose who they're with... but that's also not the stance a transitioning person needs from their partner. especially with how even for someone who knows they need a big medical intervention, the process can come with temporary fears to proceed where you need encouragement instead of "well if it's scary, then it might not be for you"

        in that moment i vividly felt so grateful that i'm not in a relationship with her anymore but instead with @eri

        now i have what i need

        #transfem #trans #transition

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        @Tessa @eri (serious professional voice) highly recommend getting a pussy
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        • tessa@fandom.gardenT tessa@fandom.garden

          after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

          it's been something i've thought a lot about ever since getting on estrogen and progesterone and my sexual response changing so much that i describe myself as having "phantom pussy" sensations. when they occur, they're impossible to truly resolve and the best i can hope for is being able to sidestep them, but a lot of the time they end in frustrated, heartbroken tears

          i think a big reason why it took me so long to accept this course was that my longest, pre-transition relationship was marked by that girlfriend being pretty explicit about not wanting me to express femininity and requiring me to /perform/ boyfriendness, as it were. any time i wasn't topping or actively giving her pleasure was a turn-off for her. the thing i could never reconcile about it was that she was both bisexual and nonbinary: i thought my transformation would be as appealing to her and her was to me (we started out cis4cis), but no such luck.

          the next few partners i had since then didn't get the brunt of this feeling i had even if they did see snippets, but they were largely ambivalently supportive about it, which was a welcome change of pace and maybe would be the ideal response in a good world

          but as i told @eri about this, not only was she firmly supportive, but she said she's excited and even into it. like she's hyped to have me as her partner do that.

          ... i hadn't realized how much i needed that to undo my past until i had it from her. i have a well-documented tendency to scrounge joy from things as long as i see they make my partner happy - stemming from my upbringing and buttressed by that pre-transition relationship - so it's so easy for me to make a kind of uneasy peace with my body as it is. but without that - and actually having the opposite of that - i feel so much lighter making that call for myself

          just recently, i told that ex of mine - we're still good friends - about my plan and accidentally painted myself into a corner by mentioning obliquely that i've historically had a hard time feeling like choices like this are okay/not selfish. it was honestly a bit jarring to see that she was a little bit defensive about it, with the standard normative talking points of "well, everybody finds different things attractive"

          which is totally fair, everyone gets to choose who they're with... but that's also not the stance a transitioning person needs from their partner. especially with how even for someone who knows they need a big medical intervention, the process can come with temporary fears to proceed where you need encouragement instead of "well if it's scary, then it might not be for you"

          in that moment i vividly felt so grateful that i'm not in a relationship with her anymore but instead with @eri

          now i have what i need

          #transfem #trans #transition

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          @Tessa I love this for you!!! 🔥

          As someone who also has, in the past, let partners influence my wishes for transition I feel you so much! Having an encouraging and supportive partner makes a world of difference!

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          • tessa@fandom.gardenT tessa@fandom.garden

            after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

            it's been something i've thought a lot about ever since getting on estrogen and progesterone and my sexual response changing so much that i describe myself as having "phantom pussy" sensations. when they occur, they're impossible to truly resolve and the best i can hope for is being able to sidestep them, but a lot of the time they end in frustrated, heartbroken tears

            i think a big reason why it took me so long to accept this course was that my longest, pre-transition relationship was marked by that girlfriend being pretty explicit about not wanting me to express femininity and requiring me to /perform/ boyfriendness, as it were. any time i wasn't topping or actively giving her pleasure was a turn-off for her. the thing i could never reconcile about it was that she was both bisexual and nonbinary: i thought my transformation would be as appealing to her and her was to me (we started out cis4cis), but no such luck.

            the next few partners i had since then didn't get the brunt of this feeling i had even if they did see snippets, but they were largely ambivalently supportive about it, which was a welcome change of pace and maybe would be the ideal response in a good world

            but as i told @eri about this, not only was she firmly supportive, but she said she's excited and even into it. like she's hyped to have me as her partner do that.

            ... i hadn't realized how much i needed that to undo my past until i had it from her. i have a well-documented tendency to scrounge joy from things as long as i see they make my partner happy - stemming from my upbringing and buttressed by that pre-transition relationship - so it's so easy for me to make a kind of uneasy peace with my body as it is. but without that - and actually having the opposite of that - i feel so much lighter making that call for myself

            just recently, i told that ex of mine - we're still good friends - about my plan and accidentally painted myself into a corner by mentioning obliquely that i've historically had a hard time feeling like choices like this are okay/not selfish. it was honestly a bit jarring to see that she was a little bit defensive about it, with the standard normative talking points of "well, everybody finds different things attractive"

            which is totally fair, everyone gets to choose who they're with... but that's also not the stance a transitioning person needs from their partner. especially with how even for someone who knows they need a big medical intervention, the process can come with temporary fears to proceed where you need encouragement instead of "well if it's scary, then it might not be for you"

            in that moment i vividly felt so grateful that i'm not in a relationship with her anymore but instead with @eri

            now i have what i need

            #transfem #trans #transition

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            @Tessa @eri

            This resonates a lot. My ex, who I was with when I started transition, told me in my coming out conversation that she was glad I didn’t want bottom surgery. That fucked me up.

            My girlfriend now is so happy for me, and her joy about me getting the transition care I need has been really healing.

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            • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

              @Tessa @eri

              This resonates a lot. My ex, who I was with when I started transition, told me in my coming out conversation that she was glad I didn’t want bottom surgery. That fucked me up.

              My girlfriend now is so happy for me, and her joy about me getting the transition care I need has been really healing.

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              @Willow
              I’ve also been processing rejection of my transition by my ex and realizing I might actually want a bunch of things over which she expressed alarm. Almost two years I spent telling myself I didn’t want things just because I was made to feel like they were a threat. 💜
              @Tessa @eri

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              • tessa@fandom.gardenT tessa@fandom.garden

                after years of back-and-forth, i've finally reached certainty that i want to pursue bottom surgery, specifically vaginoplasty

                it's been something i've thought a lot about ever since getting on estrogen and progesterone and my sexual response changing so much that i describe myself as having "phantom pussy" sensations. when they occur, they're impossible to truly resolve and the best i can hope for is being able to sidestep them, but a lot of the time they end in frustrated, heartbroken tears

                i think a big reason why it took me so long to accept this course was that my longest, pre-transition relationship was marked by that girlfriend being pretty explicit about not wanting me to express femininity and requiring me to /perform/ boyfriendness, as it were. any time i wasn't topping or actively giving her pleasure was a turn-off for her. the thing i could never reconcile about it was that she was both bisexual and nonbinary: i thought my transformation would be as appealing to her and her was to me (we started out cis4cis), but no such luck.

                the next few partners i had since then didn't get the brunt of this feeling i had even if they did see snippets, but they were largely ambivalently supportive about it, which was a welcome change of pace and maybe would be the ideal response in a good world

                but as i told @eri about this, not only was she firmly supportive, but she said she's excited and even into it. like she's hyped to have me as her partner do that.

                ... i hadn't realized how much i needed that to undo my past until i had it from her. i have a well-documented tendency to scrounge joy from things as long as i see they make my partner happy - stemming from my upbringing and buttressed by that pre-transition relationship - so it's so easy for me to make a kind of uneasy peace with my body as it is. but without that - and actually having the opposite of that - i feel so much lighter making that call for myself

                just recently, i told that ex of mine - we're still good friends - about my plan and accidentally painted myself into a corner by mentioning obliquely that i've historically had a hard time feeling like choices like this are okay/not selfish. it was honestly a bit jarring to see that she was a little bit defensive about it, with the standard normative talking points of "well, everybody finds different things attractive"

                which is totally fair, everyone gets to choose who they're with... but that's also not the stance a transitioning person needs from their partner. especially with how even for someone who knows they need a big medical intervention, the process can come with temporary fears to proceed where you need encouragement instead of "well if it's scary, then it might not be for you"

                in that moment i vividly felt so grateful that i'm not in a relationship with her anymore but instead with @eri

                now i have what i need

                #transfem #trans #transition

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                @Tessa @eri You two.... I hope things go well if you decide to proceed down that route.. 🩷 🩵

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                • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                  @Tessa @eri

                  This resonates a lot. My ex, who I was with when I started transition, told me in my coming out conversation that she was glad I didn’t want bottom surgery. That fucked me up.

                  My girlfriend now is so happy for me, and her joy about me getting the transition care I need has been really healing.

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                  @Willow @Tessa @eri I feel like expressing a preference about someone else's body like this is a bit of a relationship red flag but maybe it's not that simple

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                  • ciara@anarres.familyC ciara@anarres.family

                    @Willow @Tessa @eri I feel like expressing a preference about someone else's body like this is a bit of a relationship red flag but maybe it's not that simple

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                    @ciara @Tessa @eri Can you expand? In context of my comment it’s hard to tell who you are remarking on, and perhaps you are hoping for some kind of discussion about relationship flags?

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                    • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                      @ciara @Tessa @eri Can you expand? In context of my comment it’s hard to tell who you are remarking on, and perhaps you are hoping for some kind of discussion about relationship flags?

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                      @Willow @Tessa @eri sorry I wasn't commenting on anyone in particular. It just feels wrong to me for a partner to make a comment where they support you as long as you don't do X, it feels like an ultimatum between your transition and your relationship.

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                      • ciara@anarres.familyC ciara@anarres.family

                        @Willow @Tessa @eri sorry I wasn't commenting on anyone in particular. It just feels wrong to me for a partner to make a comment where they support you as long as you don't do X, it feels like an ultimatum between your transition and your relationship.

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                        @ciara @Tessa @eri Yeah. I won’t comment on if it was or wasn’t, but it sure did interact with my lack of self worth in ways that left festering wounds.

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                        • ciara@anarres.familyC ciara@anarres.family

                          @Willow @Tessa @eri sorry I wasn't commenting on anyone in particular. It just feels wrong to me for a partner to make a comment where they support you as long as you don't do X, it feels like an ultimatum between your transition and your relationship.

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                          @ciara
                          Here’s my take as someone who was (I feel) badly treated by my ex when it came to my transition.

                          Many relationships don’t survive a gender transition, and that’s not necessarily either person’s fault. But it makes a huge difference when and how your partner tells you they’ve gone as far along your path with you as they can go.

                          @Willow @Tessa @eri

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                            @ciara
                            Here’s my take as someone who was (I feel) badly treated by my ex when it came to my transition.

                            Many relationships don’t survive a gender transition, and that’s not necessarily either person’s fault. But it makes a huge difference when and how your partner tells you they’ve gone as far along your path with you as they can go.

                            @Willow @Tessa @eri

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                            @ciara

                            Having a bisexual spouse tell me that almost any amount of transitioning would mean the end of our marriage was extremely hurtful, and revealed that she did not actually love and value me as a person. Having her tell me this almost immediately after I came out to her felt like a mortal blow, as though she’d just been waiting for an excuse to ditch me.

                            @Willow @Tessa @eri

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                              @ciara
                              Here’s my take as someone who was (I feel) badly treated by my ex when it came to my transition.

                              Many relationships don’t survive a gender transition, and that’s not necessarily either person’s fault. But it makes a huge difference when and how your partner tells you they’ve gone as far along your path with you as they can go.

                              @Willow @Tessa @eri

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                              @ciara

                              But if she had supported me and loved me as a person while I started transitioning, then eventually said, “I love you, but this version of you isn’t for me romantically/sexually”—I’d still have been devasted and angry, but I think over time I would have understood.
                              @Willow @Tessa @eri

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                                @ciara

                                But if she had supported me and loved me as a person while I started transitioning, then eventually said, “I love you, but this version of you isn’t for me romantically/sexually”—I’d still have been devasted and angry, but I think over time I would have understood.
                                @Willow @Tessa @eri

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                                @glassblowerscat yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to say. Support should be unconditional even if the relationship doesn't last. I feel your pain because it's not like we change immediately and I don't think i could stop caring for someone so quickly and this just feels mean

                                @Willow @Tessa @eri

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