California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
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@LukefromDC @davidculley You mean like every single person who takes a look at the public source code? Is that the new conspiracy theory ?
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@davidculley gotta love how the dudes with no kids both don't understand how kids work, and care deeply for their "safety".
My kids are already getting around the under-16's ban here in Australia, no problems, and no help from me.
@sortius @davidculley I basically don't want 'the govt' to tell me how to do parenting, esp after the release of Epstein Files (which pretty much named politicians from all over the world) so facial verification, digital ids are a 'very bad idea' !
This whole moral policing business happening worldwide is pretty much an indicator that this is 'bad business'
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@chefx @davidculley Yes, you did miss something.
ChefExperte (@chefx@defcon.social)
@davidculley@hachyderm.io They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
DEF CON Social (defcon.social)
There's already a mechanism for that in linux, and it's called groups. Groups as a concept predate unix; support was added around v4.
So go and re-read the original post to find out why you were reasonably blocked by the OP.
@harmoniousanger @davidculley Also, is "someone has a different opinion so I close my eyes and go 'lalala'" the new "reasonable"?
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@sortius @davidculley I basically don't want 'the govt' to tell me how to do parenting, esp after the release of Epstein Files (which pretty much named politicians from all over the world) so facial verification, digital ids are a 'very bad idea' !
This whole moral policing business happening worldwide is pretty much an indicator that this is 'bad business'
@harib_murshidi @davidculley the whole thing is outsourcing parenting to the government. Parents have all the tools they need to keep their kids safe, both in respect to parenting tools and technical tools.
I went a bit overboard, maybe, with my SDN running DPI, but I haven't ever had to really use it with the kids. I talk to them, explain what's safe, what isn't, and they make mistakes, like all kids need to, but we can always talk about it
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And redhat recently released an ad for something military they do pr provide, involving "expand the kill zone" or to similar literal meaning. I saved it, cannot find it.
@tomjennings @LukefromDC Yes, "compress the kill cycle". They released the news in 2024 and last month, what you remember, they were in the news for trying to scrub that information from the internet. But of course the internet never forgets.
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@harib_murshidi @davidculley the whole thing is outsourcing parenting to the government. Parents have all the tools they need to keep their kids safe, both in respect to parenting tools and technical tools.
I went a bit overboard, maybe, with my SDN running DPI, but I haven't ever had to really use it with the kids. I talk to them, explain what's safe, what isn't, and they make mistakes, like all kids need to, but we can always talk about it
I read this on the internet that the govt/state has no right to spy on my kids; but I as a parent can 'spy' on my kids (which is technically not even spying) i.e. keeping tabs on their online activities, social media usage and screen time etc.
We have gone from telling kids to not share anything from their RL on the internet to eradicating all kinds of anonymity when the likes of social media moguls like Zuckerberg wanting people to 'put their real names on facebook'
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley
1. holy shit ive been howling about the sysd monopoly being a dogshit idea since '22 and NOW it hits. who would have seen this coming!! one init system didnt seem like such a bad idea back then!! especially ESPECIALLY when it's a microslop employee that's spearheading development!! /s
2. don't think they'll remove it, the code is here and is used by steamos and other proprioware. we'll be lucky if we get it as a module or whatever and it isnt rooted into the Poettering Monolith of systemDoom -
@chefx@defcon.social Sure, companies like IBM (Red Hat) and Meta want only the best for your children. It's not like IBM already enabled a genocide in the 1940s with "just a column in a database". Oh, wait, that *is* what IBM did. Read the book "IBM and the Holocaust".
You aren't against surveillance if you are too naive to recognize it and, worse, if you even defend it when it spits in your face. I gave you a second chance instead of outright blocking you because you are exactly the type of person that needs to see these critical comments and not be cut off from seeing them, but I'm not here to argue with you.
I now block you as I warned you.
Capitalism has destroyed the world and our future, possibly even the survival of our species.
The average Joe/Jane who still flies by airplane hasn't understood this yet. *Really* understood. But they will eventually, and then there will be riots. After even the so-called "middle class" loses its privileges and lives precariously. (There are only two classes: Those who have to work for money, and those who don't.)
Knowing anything about humanity, the Western "middle class" sadly won't do shit as long as it's only the Western "lower class" and the Global South that are living in precariousness. Change for the better will happen only after the Western "middle class" lives in precariousness too. They first need to burn their hands on the hot stove too.
That's what the capitalists are preparing for, by implementing fascism before the population becomes too unruly. Capitalists don't like people organizing against them in anonymity, planning how to end capitalism. The elite wants to know exactly who everyone is, and be able to control what you can post on the internet.
They get their foot into the door with "age verification", by dressing it as "protection of the children".
And the useful idiots are like, "It's only a column in a database." "I like it if it helps hiding porn from my child."
But folks are naive gullible idiots if they think it stops there, with their birth date. This needs to be nipped in the bud.
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I think my first objection to systemd was centralisation of control, though even I hadn't really linked the philosophical alignment to political centralisation of control until they complied in advance.
I can't imagine them thinking that their compliance, their collection of data, could possibly ever be a bad thing.
@hypostase The bad guys seldom think of themselves as bad. They often pursue a (in their view) noble end that justifies the means. And genuineley don't understand the resistance against them.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley detect-fash is aging like fine wine
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@hypostase The bad guys seldom think of themselves as bad. They often pursue a (in their view) noble end that justifies the means. And genuineley don't understand the resistance against them.
I think I prefer to divide the world into things I support and things I oppose, rather than good or bad.
That doesn’t mean I won’t punch a nazi, but that’s on me.
That said, I do think there are good technical reasons why concentrations of power, knowledge, whatever are bad, most of which boil down to what if you make a mistake, or someone is cleverer than you and just sees the target.
Not believing you can make mistakes or that others might be cleverer than seems a pretty common theme.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
What about BSD?!?
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@schrotthaufen @davidculley Yep. Which I believe has already happened several times.
@drwho @schrotthaufen He's on Mastodon. He'll have to block a lot of people if he discovers this post.
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@drwho @davidculley what drugs are they on? I want to avoid those at any cost…
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@davidculley They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
@chefx @davidculley It was specifically implemented to comply with age verification laws: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
They have since claimed that LOL IT ONLY GECOS FIELD HUHDUH NOT COMPLYING WITH LAW but that is NOT why they implemented it (see the commit message!), and of all the ways to comply with age verification "mandates" storing the user's DoB in a database accessible to every program running on the same machine is about the worst route possible.
I was a fan of systemd before this, and spent a huge amount of time defending it from critics who didn't seem to understand what it does (and what it doesn't.) But it's clear it's not a community project, it's an IBM-Canonical one now, and it needs to be replaced.
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@drwho @schrotthaufen He's on Mastodon. He'll have to block a lot of people if he discovers this post.
@davidculley @schrotthaufen I think he already has. When that PR was filled folks went off both on Fedi and in the comments on GitHub. Very few of which seemed to get noticed, which is why I think he was too busy blocking people to actually read them.
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@sortius @davidculley I don't know if that's news to you, but I was a child as well, so I know that. These tools cannot replace good parenting, but they can help. Is that too complicated for you?
@chefx @sortius @davidculley They don't help at all, you moron.
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@davidculley @schrotthaufen I think he already has. When that PR was filled folks went off both on Fedi and in the comments on GitHub. Very few of which seemed to get noticed, which is why I think he was too busy blocking people to actually read them.
@drwho @davidculley Yep. I @ mentioned him directly about it -> got blocked the same day. Which is why he won’t see me contemplating ordering him the book “IBM and the Holocaust”
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley has anyone posted the followup yet? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/05/linux-and-open-source-getting-age-checking-exemptions-could-be-problematic/
Comparing age verification to anticheat seems apt
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@drwho @davidculley Yep. I @ mentioned him directly about it -> got blocked the same day. Which is why he won’t see me contemplating ordering him the book “IBM and the Holocaust”
