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"I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

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  • dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Natasha_Jay

    So I asked the higher ups to double check this $11M investment they made to run the show in our department. Everything promised was made worse with zero improvements. We lost a lot of experience and money. Almost lost me too, but I'm a fixer and they are going to pay me a lot of overtime...

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    • bangskij@climatejustice.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Natasha_Jay so much karma

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      • jmcrookston@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @Natasha_Jay

        I can't wait to deploy AI on the battlefield! And for policing. 😬

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        • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

          @Natasha_Jay

          What would be amusing is them having greater success using bullshit data than whoever was previously correlating stuff :^D

          greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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          @lxskllr more likely it will have similar results to that of the media industry who changed their entire industry based on fake data provided to them by Facebook.

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          • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

            @Natasha_Jay .. and you really want to blame the technology for this... If there was no process for checking the facts that were used , it is simply bad implementation, everyone knows you have to check for or do something against hallucinations with GenAI.

            greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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            #53

            @ErikJonker then where's the productivity gain promised with AI if you still have to do the work to get the numbers you trust? Why take on the additional cost at that point?

            If you had an employee who was constantly lying to you, you'd fire them.

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            • jmcclure@sciences.socialJ jmcclure@sciences.social

              @Natasha_Jay

              "... just inventing plausible sounding [answers]"

              This shit is so tiring - that is literally all any AI is even *meant* to do. They are not even designed to give correct answers to questions, but just examples of what a plausible answer could sound like.

              (edit: sorry, I know I'm likely preaching to the choir here, but it's just so fucking tiring seeing people surprised by this crap.)

              greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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              #54

              @jmcclure so many people don't understand this.

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              • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

                @ErikJonker then where's the productivity gain promised with AI if you still have to do the work to get the numbers you trust? Why take on the additional cost at that point?

                If you had an employee who was constantly lying to you, you'd fire them.

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                #55

                @GreatBigTable also true, you have to make a rational business decision, as with every other technology

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                • patrickpoet@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Natasha_Jay this can't be real, right? Everyone knows AI isn't ready for any mission critical stuff right now (probably years away)

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                  • mike@thecanadian.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Natasha_Jay "Trust but verify" - Old KGB proverb

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                    • 0x0ddc0ffee@infosec.exchange0 0x0ddc0ffee@infosec.exchange

                      @Natasha_Jay I suspect that one of the few applications where a heavily hallucinating LLM can outperform a human would be in replacing board members, C-suite executives, and their direct reports. I propose a longitudinal study with a control group of high level executives using real data, and experimental group using hallucinated, or maybe even totally random data filtered into plausible ranges, using executive compensation deltas as the metric.

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                      @0x0ddc0ffee @Natasha_Jay I would LOVE to see the resultant shareholder suit over an AI board. There's a long list of duties they are required to perform. Seeing, for example, how the courts would deal with the duty of care or the business judgement rule. OK, the business judgement rule may be handled better by the AI, but... a shareholder would still have them on the duty of care.

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                      • indigoviolet@tech.lgbtI indigoviolet@tech.lgbt

                        @drahardja @Natasha_Jay I believe it’s supposed to be h*tt*ps

                        drahardja@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @indigoviolet I change it to hxxps when I want to link to a site that not everyone wants to visit.

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                        • catbrainz@retro.pizzaC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @Natasha_Jay what seemed crazy to me reading the comments on the reddit post is that so many answers were like "no you can't do it that way, you need to <bunch of extra, convoluted and unnecessary work> to use that tool properly in that context" and to me it's like ok so.....you have to jump through all those hoops to justify using a tool that doesn't actually make anything easier for you.....why? To look like you're following innovation? God I'm glad I no longer work anywhere remotely related to tech right now.

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                          • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

                            @lxskllr more likely it will have similar results to that of the media industry who changed their entire industry based on fake data provided to them by Facebook.

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                            @lxskllr @GreatBigTable meh, they've probably been fabricating data for the board long before generative AI hit the scene. The only difference is that now they have a scape goat.

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                              @Natasha_Jay

                              Someone who knows the systems MUST Proofread ¨everything" that your ai spits out at you.

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                              • drsuzanne@ohai.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @Natasha_Jay if you’re going along with the personification of a technological system, then I just don’t know what to tell that guy.

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                                  @Natasha_Jay How does anyone think LLMs base anything on facts or data? They are plausabiliy machines, designed to flood the zone.

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                                    @Natasha_Jay I don't understand how anybody can read the news about "AI" day after day and think "Oh everyone else's AI is fabricating random bullshit 24/7, but ours is fine".

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                                    • diekehrseite@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @Natasha_Jay what? noooo! 😄

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                                      • m1rk0@social.defcon42.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @Natasha_Jay (Maybe) Learning it the hard way. Well deserved.

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                                          @Natasha_Jay

                                          The only use of ai my company has successfully implemented is having it write emails to dead leads.

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