The views expressed by Scott in this thread do not reflect the opinions of the Mastodon core team or organisation.

[guillotine_jones@beige.party]

@argv_minus_one @haubles
Thank YOU, argv... for expressing your thoughtful viewpoint so clearly.
I will now get off your lawn and take my friends with me to Judge Hardy's barn to put on a show against obliterating civilizations back to the stone ages.

[gavin57@toot.wales]

@troed @lutindiscret @haubles You’re one of those AI boosters, aren’t you. What would you know about the truth.

[troed@swecyb.com]

@gavin57

What do you hope to accomplish from posting easily disproven lies in this thread?

@lutindiscret @haubles

[scottjenson@social.coop]

@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret I agree with everything you're saying.

[wlm@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@scottjenson @troed @stepheneb @lutindiscret I hope you find a UX way to address harassment on Mastodon. It would be very benificial. The AI example was a poor one, as literally everybody knows by now, and it’s a shame if that gets in the way of actual positive change, e.g. for marginalized communities, and ideally imho also for journalists and other asymmetrical or parasocial posters.
(Tl;dr: More minorities and famous people!)

[s1m0n4@ohai.social]

@haubles also is there a way to get stats on all #Mastodon users?
What is the data for stating that people are leaving?
Because if they're leaving instances hosted in the US, I have a valid explanation for that and it has nothing to do with Mastodon.

[s1m0n4@ohai.social]

@scottjenson I can ask you directly then!

s1m0n4 (@s1m0n4@ohai.social)

@haubles@hachyderm.io also is there a way to get stats on all #Mastodon users? What is the data for stating that people are leaving? Because if they're leaving instances hosted in the US, I have a valid explanation for that and it has nothing to do with Mastodon.

ohai.social (ohai.social)

[stepheneb@ruby.social]

@scottjenson

As I’ve said in earlier replies there are many different and overlapping communities on Fediverse and the care I’m taking here to communicate clearly and very specifically to help you is an example of what sometimes happens here.

I don’t see it happening on other social networks. It’s something I value greatly whether I’m participating or not. It’s what I mean by engagement.

@troed @lutindiscret

[crumbletiltskin@mastodon.social]

@haubles Assuming they have removed bots from these stats?

[davep@infosec.exchange]

@haubles

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@haubles uh, that took a while?

I’m looking forward to reading the Mastodon team’s statement on the matter.

[gavin57@toot.wales]

@troed @lutindiscret @haubles Dude, you realise Scott spent most of yesterday trying to dig himself out of the hole he created.

It apparently resulted in someone from Mastodon apologising for it. Go bug someone else.

[scottjenson@social.coop]

@stepheneb
and I hope it's clear that I value your efforts. Much appreciated.

My hypothesis is that 95% of the people on mastodon are amazing and it forms a unique and valued community. My issue is with that remaining 5%. Of course,that may just be a factor of any social network.

But there are enough stories of people being dissuaded that I would still like to explore it further.
@troed @lutindiscret

[scottjenson@social.coop]

@s1m0n4 I have no official role to be able to talk to you about that. What I will say is what has been frequently discussed in Fediform and Bluesky meetings as well: both platforms are losing users. This is just "common wisdom" and should be treated cautiously. It's just what people are saying.

[deadtom@dice.camp]

@starraven @haubles Bingo.

[jdp23@neuromatch.social]

Is it really baffling though? This is the whole "Big Fedi" approach that Evan and others advocate. In The (annotated) case for "Big Fedi I used italics to highlight what's implied but usually left unsaid

"Everyone on the planet should have an account on the fediverse (even Nazis, racists, transphobes, white supremacists, hate groups who target people of color, LGBTQIA2S+ people, and other marginalized communities). It will make the internet better and the world better (if Nazis et al are on the fediverse, as opposed to trying to keep them off)

Under Eugen, Mastodon tended to be on the "Big Fedi" side -- seeing Threads' decision to adopt ActivityPub as a huge victory for the cause, opposing opt-in federation as contrary to Mastodon's mission, etc. So I see this more as a longstanding tension in fedi that's just manifesting in a different way.

@jens @stefanie @haubles

[stefanie@social.anoxinon.de]

@jdp23 @jens @haubles
Well, if those people come in here in numbers, a lot of other people will leave in numbers.
So it is really the question:
Would you rather have queerfolk, or TERFs? Would you rather have Nazis, or marginalized people?
It's an effect as old as time. You let the haters in, and the decent people will inevitably leave.
I already lost many friends, even some family contacts by deleting my accounts on FB/X.
If I have to delete the fediverse to escape TERFs, so be it.

[jdp23@neuromatch.social]

Oh I totally agree! I’m just saying that a lot of influential people in fedi don’t see it the way you
@jens and I do.

@stefanie @haubles

[stefanie@social.anoxinon.de]

@jdp23 @jens @haubles
I'm the last one to dictate the culture. I am here because I like how it is.
But I am also ready to leave if it changes too far in the wrong direction.
Just like I stayed on FB up until they explicitly allowed, almost endorsed, harassment of trans people.
That day, I deleted my account and never looked back.

The question is: Why would you turn Fedi into Twitter, when you already have Twitter? What's the purpose then?

[setok@attractive.space]

@haubles which bit in particular does not reflect the opinions of the Mastodon core team? The bit about welcome a multitude of viewpoints and not just remaining a bubble?