Wondering if anyone has reliable info on the following and would like to share it.

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

Wondering if anyone has reliable info on the following and would like to share it.

Grok, the LLM used by X, now seems to claim that E. Musk never sent any inflammatory messages on June 5 2025 about Trump's involvement on Epstein's Island. Which he probably did.

We cannot fact-check this as we have, obviously, no X Premium account. But, if true, this should be a pretty huge issue, no?

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

And, asking from a broader perspective outside this specific scope, are there any other proven cases about LLM fine-tuning being used to alter rhe past and present and faux historical timelines?

[yonk@chaos.social]

@cure53

I just used Grok 4.1 Fast via Kagi assistant to quickly check this:

https://kagi.com/assistant/ab160f6d-a886-45ac-b104-ebbb43ec9f6e

So it indeed says that the inflammatory messages are false rumors that have been debunked. It even claims that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are friendly, making this unlikely.

But the messages have been reported by multiple news outlets, e.g.:

https://abcnews.com/Politics/musk-appears-delete-posts-claiming-trump-epstein-files/story?id=122609304

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/elon-musk-donald-trump-epstein-tweet

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

@yonk thank you very much

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

RE: https://chaos.social/@yonk/116390461628017649

@yonk Thanks a lot! So, can we infer from this case that history is being altered already to fit radical political agendas, and it happens right before our eyes, without any larger repercussions?

[yonk@chaos.social]

@cure53 on the other hand, it does not seem to be Grok specific. Other models available also make the same claim that there is no verified evidence:

GLM-5:

https://kagi.com/assistant/c73a318d-8dde-4be1-84c0-1cfc4fbb83da

Kimi 2.5 (although it states its cutoff date is early 2025, so that would make sense):

https://kagi.com/assistant/8c914c4b-c78d-40d9-90cd-0860a42817a8

Deep seek v3:

https://kagi.com/assistant/9201074a-79b2-45e4-b5ee-529a990b7188

So I don’t think that we can conclude that Grok was altered specifically.

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

@yonk Phew, okay. We saw those messages in June 2025 and discussed them internally and with friends. Still have access to the conversations from back then.

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

@yonk Other LLMs claim they existed, for example:

Unhandled Thrown Response!

(chatgpt.com)

Edit: Okay, sharing doesn't seem to work right now