Wondering if anyone has reliable info on the following and would like to share it.

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

Wondering if anyone has reliable info on the following and would like to share it.

Grok, the LLM used by X, now seems to claim that E. Musk never sent any inflammatory messages on June 5 2025 about Trump's involvement on Epstein's Island. Which he probably did.

We cannot fact-check this as we have, obviously, no X Premium account. But, if true, this should be a pretty huge issue, no?

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

And, asking from a broader perspective outside this specific scope, are there any other proven cases about LLM fine-tuning being used to alter rhe past and present and faux historical timelines?

[yonk@chaos.social]

@cure53

I just used Grok 4.1 Fast via Kagi assistant to quickly check this:

Kagi Assistant

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(kagi.com)

So it indeed says that the inflammatory messages are false rumors that have been debunked. It even claims that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are friendly, making this unlikely.

But the messages have been reported by multiple news outlets, e.g.:

Musk appears to delete X posts claiming Trump was in Epstein files

Less than two days after Elon Musk slammed President Donald Trump over his spending bill, the billionaire appeared to remove several X posts critical of the president.

ABC News (abcnews.com)

Elon Musk Just Dropped What He Called A "Bombshell" Accusation About Donald Trump And Jeffrey Epstein

Why did anyone think that these two personalities would lead to anything but chaos?

BuzzFeed (www.buzzfeed.com)

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

@yonk thank you very much

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

RE: https://chaos.social/@yonk/116390461628017649

@yonk Thanks a lot! So, can we infer from this case that history is being altered already to fit radical political agendas, and it happens right before our eyes, without any larger repercussions?

[yonk@chaos.social]

@cure53 on the other hand, it does not seem to be Grok specific. Other models available also make the same claim that there is no verified evidence:

GLM-5:

Kagi Assistant

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(kagi.com)

Kimi 2.5 (although it states its cutoff date is early 2025, so that would make sense):

Kagi Assistant

Better search results with no ads. Welcome to Kagi (pronounced kah-gee), a paid search engine that gives power back to the user.

(kagi.com)

Deep seek v3:

Kagi Assistant

Better search results with no ads. Welcome to Kagi (pronounced kah-gee), a paid search engine that gives power back to the user.

(kagi.com)

So I don’t think that we can conclude that Grok was altered specifically.

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

@yonk Phew, okay. We saw those messages in June 2025 and discussed them internally and with friends. Still have access to the conversations from back then.

[cure53@infosec.exchange]

@yonk Other LLMs claim they existed, for example:

Unhandled Thrown Response!

(chatgpt.com)

Edit: Okay, sharing doesn't seem to work right now