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  • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

    Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

    I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

    I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

    Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

    Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

    guillaumerossolini@infosec.exchangeG This user is from outside of this forum
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    @bluewinds or you could call your ISP, they might have a (likely paid) option to keep you on the same IP address all the time

    Sometimes that isn’t even required, as they’ll only switch you if you’re offline for a bit

    Or your DNS provider may have software for the dynamic part

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    • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

      Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

      I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

      I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

      Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

      Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

      gandalfdg@indieweb.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @bluewinds I use ddclient without issues, mine is hooked up to namecheap (domain registrar)

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      • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

        Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

        I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

        I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

        Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

        Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

        dgerdesmann@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @bluewinds solid combo, should work. If you haven't already, make sure your ISP does not put you behind a CGNAT, otherwise any self-hosting won't work (even with dynamic DNS). I have this problem and wondered for hours why my setup did not work. In this case, you would need to rent a small VPS and use something like Pangolin to wire your traffic through. Good luck, and tell us how it went!

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        • gandalfdg@indieweb.socialG gandalfdg@indieweb.social

          @bluewinds I use ddclient without issues, mine is hooked up to namecheap (domain registrar)

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          @GandalfDG My current registrar is name.com. I'll move eventually. Someday. Probably.

          My brief search suggests that ddclient doesn't support them directly (open issue from 2024, no comments/movement), so I'll need to register a 3rd party (eg duckdns) as the DNS.

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          • dgerdesmann@mastodon.socialD dgerdesmann@mastodon.social

            @bluewinds solid combo, should work. If you haven't already, make sure your ISP does not put you behind a CGNAT, otherwise any self-hosting won't work (even with dynamic DNS). I have this problem and wondered for hours why my setup did not work. In this case, you would need to rent a small VPS and use something like Pangolin to wire your traffic through. Good luck, and tell us how it went!

            bluewinds@tech.lgbtB This user is from outside of this forum
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            @dgerdesmann Hm; I'm on xfinity in Seattle.
            Thanks for the thought, did not occur to me and well worth checking!

            It looks like I might be fine; my router's admin panel ("Public IP" and "IP address") both match, and agree with what a public lookup ("what's my IP" web search) shows. I think that's the correct test here?

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            • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

              @dgerdesmann Hm; I'm on xfinity in Seattle.
              Thanks for the thought, did not occur to me and well worth checking!

              It looks like I might be fine; my router's admin panel ("Public IP" and "IP address") both match, and agree with what a public lookup ("what's my IP" web search) shows. I think that's the correct test here?

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              @bluewinds Nice, then you're likely good to go

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              • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

                Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

                I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

                I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

                Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

                Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

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                @bluewinds you can also reverse proxy it thru a cheap VPS (or cloudflare, or maybe the likes of tailscale / zerotier et al) if it turns out that any number of potential issues with hosting a site for direct inbound connections on a residential connection turn out to be true.

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                • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

                  Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

                  I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

                  I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

                  Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

                  Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

                  jon@activitypub.blankpad.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @bluewinds check whether you have a real IP address or you’re behind CGNAT where your ISP shares one IP between multiple customers. If you are this won’t work, otherwise sounds reasonable to me.

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                  • jon@activitypub.blankpad.netJ jon@activitypub.blankpad.net

                    @bluewinds check whether you have a real IP address or you’re behind CGNAT where your ISP shares one IP between multiple customers. If you are this won’t work, otherwise sounds reasonable to me.

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                    @bluewinds CGNAT can be worked around but you’ll probably need another machine somewhere that can forward traffic back to you. That could be a £2/month VM, it literally just needs an IP and the ability for you to connect to it from home.

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                    • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

                      Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

                      I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

                      I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

                      Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

                      Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

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                      @bluewinds Depending on your plans, I'd suggest #Tailscale. Seamless sharing for personal devices and controlled sharing for friends, family or the public.

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                      • jon@activitypub.blankpad.netJ jon@activitypub.blankpad.net

                        @bluewinds CGNAT can be worked around but you’ll probably need another machine somewhere that can forward traffic back to you. That could be a £2/month VM, it literally just needs an IP and the ability for you to connect to it from home.

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                        @jon It looks like I'm ok in that regard; my router's admin panel ("Public IP" and "IP address") both match, and agree with what a public lookup ("what's my IP" web search) shows. That means no CGNAT, right?

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                        • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

                          Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

                          I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

                          I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

                          Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

                          Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

                          artlog@agora.l0g.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @bluewinds

                          You could have a look to #yunohost project.
                          It offers one domain name and takes care of ip changes, this is part of many simple features like deploying many kind of web applucations in a breath.
                          A good way to start before digging in dedicated dynamic dns or vpn alternatives at cost.
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                          • artlog@agora.l0g.euA artlog@agora.l0g.eu
                            @bluewinds

                            You could have a look to #yunohost project.
                            It offers one domain name and takes care of ip changes, this is part of many simple features like deploying many kind of web applucations in a breath.
                            A good way to start before digging in dedicated dynamic dns or vpn alternatives at cost.
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                            @bluewinds

                            https://doc.yunohost.org/en/admin/tutorials/domains/dns_dynamicip/

                            Can give interesting hints.
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                            • artlog@agora.l0g.euA artlog@agora.l0g.eu
                              @bluewinds

                              https://doc.yunohost.org/en/admin/tutorials/domains/dns_dynamicip/

                              Can give interesting hints.
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                              @artlog Oh interesting, I had not heard of yunohost; that might be perfect, I'll look at it a bit more. Thanks!

                              That tutorial definitely suggests I'm thinking about it right, it's laying out exactly the same steps I had in mind (even mentions duckDNS and ddclient). 😁

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                              • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

                                Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

                                I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

                                I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

                                Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

                                Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

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                                @bluewinds I’m curious, what’s the reasoning behind going full bare-metal? If you’re open to alternatives, I’ve found that using virtualization (like Proxmox) is a lifesaver for backups. If something breaks during an update, you can just roll back to a snapshot from five minutes prior, which saves a ton of stress.

                                One other thing to consider: instead of Dynamic DNS, you could look into using a cheap VPS as a gateway, it's how my self hosted site is set up. It keeps your home IP hidden and solves the changing IP issue entirely.
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                                • bluewinds@tech.lgbtB bluewinds@tech.lgbt

                                  Ok, #selfhosting #diy nerds, it's question time. I'm planning to host a personal site off of an old laptop I have laying around, on my residential internet connection.

                                  I already have a domain name, but since I'm on residential internet, my IP changes ~1/week, so I'll need dynamic DNS. I've never done this before.

                                  I'm thinking https://www.duckdns.org/ + https://ddclient.net/ to map my domain name -> host.

                                  Planning on running this as close to bare-metal as I can (without docker or VM, just straight on the host).

                                  Anyone who's done this and knows more than me have advice or alternatives? Anything else I should be aware of?

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                                  @bluewinds i would use my dns provider api and some simple python script that would be put in cron for every 5 minutes:
                                  "check my ip, if it changed then call dns provider api and update it"

                                  btw you have to remember to set as low TTL as possible for that

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