Your phone is about to stop being yours.

[antonproitzelhaimer@mastodon.social]

@InkySchwartz @codemonkeymike @gbsills @lproven

Yes, there -are: e. g. : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone

[maddiem4@raphus.social]

@lproven This is very helpful. Normally I update my phone on an extremely slow schedule, because I don't need the newest things (or their cost) and the world doesn't need excessive e-waste. I'm feeling very nervous and frustrated about trying to keep my Note20 Ultra in service as Google changes the rules of its use out from under me on a September deadline.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@dezon Kind of what all the de-Googled Android vendors do right now...

And Google is trying to make it more difficult:

AOSP on a diet plan as Google halves Android code drops

: Two a year is for your own good, Mountain View insists

theregister (www.theregister.com)

[ottercynical@is.nota.live]

@tina @lopta @lproven Correct. Which is why we're fucked.

[justin@toot.io]

@klu9 @jackdaniel @lproven are you talking new phones only or would second hand phones be acceptable? After all postmarketOS was originally designed just for old devices.

[klu9@ohai.social]

@justin @jackdaniel @lproven

2nd hand acceptable

[justin@toot.io]

@klu9 I guess that would be easy enough to do, though there aren't many phones that are "fully" supported yet. I'd do it but I'm in one of the most remote places on Earth when it comes to shipping things in and out, Australia... @jackdaniel @lproven

[tina@mastodon.babb.no]

@ottercynical @lopta @lproven Oh, yes. The RCA of *this* goes much deeper.

(Who on earth even thought connecting a glucose monitor to an *American cloud-based app* was a good idea to start with? Let's see .... )

[jerry1970@friends.chasmcity.net]

@lproven
Everyone to use degoogled Android then?

[ag100pct@infosec.exchange]

@lproven
"We must protect you!"

#enshittification @pluralistic

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

FWIW I turned my list of alternatives into an article. It's here:

Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

: Both Cupertino and Google are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you have alternatives

theregister (www.theregister.com)

Both Cupertino and Mountain View are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you *do* have alternatives

<- by me on @theregister

[chewbacca@smithereen.bsrealm.net]

Spycrab, no you can't. Read the page carefully, it explicitly tells you that it won't work.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@EricBono @theregister I've never tried either myself, TBH, so I can't even guess. Ask them?

The modern Punkt phone (review coming soon!) offers to preload the Protonmail client apps, so I'm guessing yes. And if they run on that, that suggests they'll run on anything? Maybe?

[ekari@mementomori.social]

@EricBono @lproven @theregister on #SailfishOS I use hydroxide to bridge mail to the native email client. A bit hacky, but works.

It's been a while, but the last time I tried the Tuta Android client worked.

GitHub - emersion/hydroxide: A third-party, open-source ProtonMail CardDAV, IMAP and SMTP bridge

A third-party, open-source ProtonMail CardDAV, IMAP and SMTP bridge - emersion/hydroxide

GitHub (github.com)

[inkyschwartz@mastodon.social]

@antonproitzelhaimer @codemonkeymike @gbsills @lproven Fair, but that's pretty expensive for most people.

We need well priced, reliable, and repairable tech. And the best I seem to be able to do is try to find a oneplus nord n100 and then mod it to run on an established linux/unix os. Which is very afforadable for me but requires me to operate beyond the bleeding edge of my ability. And is a 4 year old phone with a built in battery, no 5G, and an uncertain repair environment. Sigh.

[dezon@chaos.social]

@lproven yes, I am actually using one of those: GrapheneOS. Still I am curious if these kind of actions can't be stopped by such projects. Installing an APK should be possible, how to circumvent these kind of checks. What would it require. No Google Play Services? Couldn't those kind of checks be prohibited by firewalling or substituting those locally. So many questions, so less knowledge about this specific threat.

[milkman76@syzito.xyz]

@FrutigerAero00 @lproven we use a 'light phone 3', protonmail for mail.

[weirdmustard@flipping.rocks]

@lproven Not sure if I wanted to read the word group "Foss fondleslab" today.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@weirdmustard I try to throw in some traditional Reg-isms occasionally.

Overall it's more about the general style, and a sincere irreverence, but many people can't get that... But even those folks can spot use of "boffin" or "fondleslab".

[weirdmustard@flipping.rocks]

@lproven Loved it actually, has a nice ring to it