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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI.

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    I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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    • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

      I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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      qesuto@infosec.exchange
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      @cR0w amen

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      • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

        I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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        @cR0w Addicts never admit they're addicts, if they even know that they're addicts.

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        • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

          I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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          jackryder@infosec.exchange
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          @cR0w I think this encapsulates my thoughts on things, to be honest.

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          • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

            I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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            @cR0w I stopped trying to understand people when 77 million of them voted for whatever the fuck this is.

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            • insidertreat@infosec.exchangeI insidertreat@infosec.exchange

              @cR0w I stopped trying to understand people when 77 million of them voted for whatever the fuck this is.

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              @InsiderTreat @cR0w

              You need to be able to empathize (not sympathize) with people, especially adversaries.

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              • infoseclogger@infosec.exchangeI infoseclogger@infosec.exchange

                @InsiderTreat @cR0w

                You need to be able to empathize (not sympathize) with people, especially adversaries.

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                @infoseclogger @cR0w I know this is the correct answer. I still struggle immensely with it.

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                • insidertreat@infosec.exchangeI insidertreat@infosec.exchange

                  @infoseclogger @cR0w I know this is the correct answer. I still struggle immensely with it.

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                  @InsiderTreat @cR0w

                  If you didn't struggle, you'd be numb. Like Me.

                  Don't be me.

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                  • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                    I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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                    @cR0w the thing that pisses me off the most is how there are people who argue in favor of AI art, and compare it to the real deal.

                    The people who make art of any kind practice for days, weeks, months, years. and some glorified markov bot sucks all of that up, without asking, without permission, without compensation, and somehow you think that's better? Its an injustice. Every AI datacenter deserves mass quantities of thermite.

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                      @cR0w the thing that pisses me off the most is how there are people who argue in favor of AI art, and compare it to the real deal.

                      The people who make art of any kind practice for days, weeks, months, years. and some glorified markov bot sucks all of that up, without asking, without permission, without compensation, and somehow you think that's better? Its an injustice. Every AI datacenter deserves mass quantities of thermite.

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                      @da_667 Only people who want to own, not appreciate, the art are the ones who say that. And unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.

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                      • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                        @da_667 Only people who want to own, not appreciate, the art are the ones who say that. And unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.

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                        @cR0w stg, there are people that say digital art and AI art are the same, and how can you rail against AI when digital artwork is the same thing, and no, they're fucking not.

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                        • infoseclogger@infosec.exchangeI infoseclogger@infosec.exchange

                          @InsiderTreat @cR0w

                          If you didn't struggle, you'd be numb. Like Me.

                          Don't be me.

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                          @infoseclogger @InsiderTreat @cR0w
                          People like to see themselves in things. We anthropomorphize (twice in one day, no spell check...nailed it) basically everything we come in contact with.

                          Who wouldn't want to live a world of "Beauty and the Beast" were you can just talk to the candlesticks and dishes to have things happen?

                          People try to fantasize and make exciting really basic and boring stuff.

                          Creating fantastic situations in order to account for things is fine. But assuming the fantasy is reality... is just silly.

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                          • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                            @da_667 Only people who want to own, not appreciate, the art are the ones who say that. And unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.

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                            @cR0w @da_667

                            Don't forget, all the starving people who could be artists, who want to be artists, to create, to leave their handprint on the cave wall... Who cannot.

                            These same people who have become wage slaves, sold on lies that they too may now create the masterpieces of their dreams. AI is not being weaponized to end suffering. It's being weaponized to blind the everyday man of the shackles that bind.

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                              @cR0w @da_667

                              Don't forget, all the starving people who could be artists, who want to be artists, to create, to leave their handprint on the cave wall... Who cannot.

                              These same people who have become wage slaves, sold on lies that they too may now create the masterpieces of their dreams. AI is not being weaponized to end suffering. It's being weaponized to blind the everyday man of the shackles that bind.

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                              @rusty__shackleford @cR0w We're being sold a world where machine learning does all of our hobbies for us, but none of the work, and none of it remotely competently enough.

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                                @rusty__shackleford @cR0w We're being sold a world where machine learning does all of our hobbies for us, but none of the work, and none of it remotely competently enough.

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                                @da_667 @cR0w

                                It's absolutely disgusting

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                                • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                                  I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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                                  @cR0w

                                  Dear FSM....

                                  Please restart this timeline in a way that leads to apps being produced with Authentic, *Artisanal* Honey badger code, instead of stolen code shat out by the lying plagiarism machines

                                  Please and thank you
                                  - ForIamCJ

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                                  • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                                    I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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                                    @cR0w I work in the culture sector. I see writers who have no problem using genAI to create images.

                                    And I see people who loudly defend visual art who have no problem using LLMs to "help" with their writing.

                                    IMHO generated artificial "intelligence" is the biggest marketing grift since big tobacco. Except the information about how the tools function and potential harms like deskilling is easily available. People just don't bother asking any questions.

                                    We'll die on the hill of convenience.

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                                    • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                                      @rusty__shackleford @cR0w We're being sold a world where machine learning does all of our hobbies for us, but none of the work, and none of it remotely competently enough.

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                                      @da_667 @rusty__shackleford @cR0w I feel like a lot of it comes back to the fact that too many people are not willing to inconvenience themselves by voting with their wallet. For far too long people have been complaining about things getting worse while continuing to pay the ever growing prices of the things that they are complaining about.

                                      Perhaps really quality doesn't matter to our society 🥲

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                                      • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                                        I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.

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                                        @cR0w

                                        Yesterday, I was forced to deal with Paypal's deteriorated customer "assistance", now dominated by a moronic AI bot. I was both shocked and amused when I was forced to listed to the typical "this call may be recorded for quality control and training", only to hear actual code parameters appended to it. Don't these companies understand the damage they are doing to their own brands?

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                                        • toshen@mastodon.greenT toshen@mastodon.green

                                          @cR0w

                                          Yesterday, I was forced to deal with Paypal's deteriorated customer "assistance", now dominated by a moronic AI bot. I was both shocked and amused when I was forced to listed to the typical "this call may be recorded for quality control and training", only to hear actual code parameters appended to it. Don't these companies understand the damage they are doing to their own brands?

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                                          @toshen @cR0w one day the pendulum will swing and when the brain-poisoned managerial class realises their folly after this bubble implodes, they might have to...actually give a shit about the customer experience

                                          god wouldn't that be nice

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