I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI.
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@cR0w the thing that pisses me off the most is how there are people who argue in favor of AI art, and compare it to the real deal.
The people who make art of any kind practice for days, weeks, months, years. and some glorified markov bot sucks all of that up, without asking, without permission, without compensation, and somehow you think that's better? Its an injustice. Every AI datacenter deserves mass quantities of thermite.
@da_667 Only people who want to own, not appreciate, the art are the ones who say that. And unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.
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@da_667 Only people who want to own, not appreciate, the art are the ones who say that. And unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.
@cR0w stg, there are people that say digital art and AI art are the same, and how can you rail against AI when digital artwork is the same thing, and no, they're fucking not.
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People like to see themselves in things. We anthropomorphize (twice in one day, no spell check...nailed it) basically everything we come in contact with.Who wouldn't want to live a world of "Beauty and the Beast" were you can just talk to the candlesticks and dishes to have things happen?
People try to fantasize and make exciting really basic and boring stuff.
Creating fantastic situations in order to account for things is fine. But assuming the fantasy is reality... is just silly.
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@da_667 Only people who want to own, not appreciate, the art are the ones who say that. And unfortunately, that seems to be a lot of people.
Don't forget, all the starving people who could be artists, who want to be artists, to create, to leave their handprint on the cave wall... Who cannot.
These same people who have become wage slaves, sold on lies that they too may now create the masterpieces of their dreams. AI is not being weaponized to end suffering. It's being weaponized to blind the everyday man of the shackles that bind.
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Don't forget, all the starving people who could be artists, who want to be artists, to create, to leave their handprint on the cave wall... Who cannot.
These same people who have become wage slaves, sold on lies that they too may now create the masterpieces of their dreams. AI is not being weaponized to end suffering. It's being weaponized to blind the everyday man of the shackles that bind.
@rusty__shackleford @cR0w We're being sold a world where machine learning does all of our hobbies for us, but none of the work, and none of it remotely competently enough.
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@rusty__shackleford @cR0w We're being sold a world where machine learning does all of our hobbies for us, but none of the work, and none of it remotely competently enough.
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
Dear FSM....
Please restart this timeline in a way that leads to apps being produced with Authentic, *Artisanal* Honey badger code, instead of stolen code shat out by the lying plagiarism machines
Please and thank you
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
@cR0w I work in the culture sector. I see writers who have no problem using genAI to create images.
And I see people who loudly defend visual art who have no problem using LLMs to "help" with their writing.
IMHO generated artificial "intelligence" is the biggest marketing grift since big tobacco. Except the information about how the tools function and potential harms like deskilling is easily available. People just don't bother asking any questions.
We'll die on the hill of convenience.
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@rusty__shackleford @cR0w We're being sold a world where machine learning does all of our hobbies for us, but none of the work, and none of it remotely competently enough.
@da_667 @rusty__shackleford @cR0w I feel like a lot of it comes back to the fact that too many people are not willing to inconvenience themselves by voting with their wallet. For far too long people have been complaining about things getting worse while continuing to pay the ever growing prices of the things that they are complaining about.
Perhaps really quality doesn't matter to our society 🥲
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
Yesterday, I was forced to deal with Paypal's deteriorated customer "assistance", now dominated by a moronic AI bot. I was both shocked and amused when I was forced to listed to the typical "this call may be recorded for quality control and training", only to hear actual code parameters appended to it. Don't these companies understand the damage they are doing to their own brands?
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Yesterday, I was forced to deal with Paypal's deteriorated customer "assistance", now dominated by a moronic AI bot. I was both shocked and amused when I was forced to listed to the typical "this call may be recorded for quality control and training", only to hear actual code parameters appended to it. Don't these companies understand the damage they are doing to their own brands?
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
@cR0w Let's forget why you do or don't avoid AI. How about people just respect that you are a fully-fledged human being, and entitled to have opinions that reflect your worldview, your life experience, and your values?
None of those things demand anyone else's approval.
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Yesterday, I was forced to deal with Paypal's deteriorated customer "assistance", now dominated by a moronic AI bot. I was both shocked and amused when I was forced to listed to the typical "this call may be recorded for quality control and training", only to hear actual code parameters appended to it. Don't these companies understand the damage they are doing to their own brands?
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
@cR0w And yet here you are posting & swearing about it, broadcasting it to many people. - Consider focusing your attention on the positive constructive things you are passionate about and value, and promoting those thoughts instread.
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@cR0w And yet here you are posting & swearing about it, broadcasting it to many people. - Consider focusing your attention on the positive constructive things you are passionate about and value, and promoting those thoughts instread.
@jrovu Are you actually telling me to shut up and work rather than explain how it's a bad thing that greedy tech bros are actively destroying everything they touch, including the country I live in? Get the fuck out of here.
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
@cR0w I don’t think people who avoid AI or its artifacts are being irrational. I too resent the way it has taken sources of income away from so many people.
Even if I’m forced to use it for work, I do not treat it as something permanent. To me, it feels like a clever corporate trick that may eventually become available only to those privileged enough to access it, allowing information itself to be tightly controlled, among so many other things.
If people stormed every datacenter hosting AI applications and smashed them apart with lead pipes, I would not be especially upset. It would be a refreshing change.
I use it to pick through massive construction specifications and technical manuals in search of the single sentences or section that actually applies to my work. I don't require or want any image generation or machine vision in my every day life and every piece of software interface. It's nauseating. In a perfect world, there would be no AI and I would have a proper team of people, and I could do more, faster, better... But executives which are professionally protected from friction produced by reality can't see that.
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@cR0w I don’t think people who avoid AI or its artifacts are being irrational. I too resent the way it has taken sources of income away from so many people.
Even if I’m forced to use it for work, I do not treat it as something permanent. To me, it feels like a clever corporate trick that may eventually become available only to those privileged enough to access it, allowing information itself to be tightly controlled, among so many other things.
If people stormed every datacenter hosting AI applications and smashed them apart with lead pipes, I would not be especially upset. It would be a refreshing change.
I use it to pick through massive construction specifications and technical manuals in search of the single sentences or section that actually applies to my work. I don't require or want any image generation or machine vision in my every day life and every piece of software interface. It's nauseating. In a perfect world, there would be no AI and I would have a proper team of people, and I could do more, faster, better... But executives which are professionally protected from friction produced by reality can't see that.
it feels like a clever corporate trick that may eventually become available only to those privileged enough to access it, allowing information itself to be tightly controlled, among so many other things
That's exactly what it is. Not just controlling access though, but also the content itself.
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@jrovu Are you actually telling me to shut up and work rather than explain how it's a bad thing that greedy tech bros are actively destroying everything they touch, including the country I live in? Get the fuck out of here.
@cR0w @jrovu See also "if you're not literally in a concentration camp waiting to be executed, it could be worse, we don't deserve it as good as we have it."
For additional examples, call my mom.
(Irony: replyguy answers your question. The people who think you're irrational don't read for comprehension, failing to understand the fairly non-ranty nature of the post. TBH, the "high ground" ad hominem attack and lack of comprehension are also hallmarks of AI generated bot replies too.)
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@cR0w @jrovu See also "if you're not literally in a concentration camp waiting to be executed, it could be worse, we don't deserve it as good as we have it."
For additional examples, call my mom.
(Irony: replyguy answers your question. The people who think you're irrational don't read for comprehension, failing to understand the fairly non-ranty nature of the post. TBH, the "high ground" ad hominem attack and lack of comprehension are also hallmarks of AI generated bot replies too.)
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I understand not being an absolutist against all things AI. It's wrong, but I understand. What I don't understand is people who think that those of us avoiding shit with AI or created by AI are irrational or some other offensive term. I don't see how it's different than avoiding code written by a literal honey badger. Neither the honey badger nor the AI know how to code and having them do so shows a lack of fucks given for the quality of the output. That's ( part of ) why we avoid it.
@cR0w I was thinking on this lately, as I was using DuckDuckGo’s AI more and more: you don’t LEARN or retain or progress in any way using something everyone can use.
If tomorrow you don’t know what you did, wrote, or made today, how is that useful or worthwhile to yourself or anyone else?
We teach kids to learn by doing, then use tools that do things for us, while we sit waiting for output, which also makes you feel useless and dumb.
So yeah! Agreed.
I do try to not assume accounts are bots on here though, even when there are indicators of it. Between all the different languages and methods of translation on the Internet now, a lot of well-meaning people do come across as bots in small interactions like a post and reply.
