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For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose.

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  • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

    For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

    ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

    This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

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    @codemonkeymike

    It's time we show windows the door.

    It's a castle made of sand, and I feel a wave of freedom coming.

    Just a moment...

    favicon

    (rant.li)

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    • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

      For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

      ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

      This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

      ferihumh@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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      ferihumh@mastodon.social
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      #37

      @codemonkeymike
      Pixel 3a -> Ubuntu Touch
      Surface Pro 3 -> Ubuntu 24.04
      HP-ZBook -> Ubuntu 24.04

      On the Raspberry´s
      NextCloud, pihole, Wireguard VPN, Trilium, Paperless ngx.................

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      • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

        @thegardendude I put one together just for this purpose. Or something more mainstream like Linux mint.

        Link Preview Image
        Nixbook OS

        A set-and-forget modern operating system designed for simplicity, speed, and peace of mind.

        favicon

        (nixbookos.org)

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        @codemonkeymike @thegardendude

        I am an experienced Linux user and excited about nixOS. Doesn't it require some scripting though, compared to other distros?
        This looks very good. I hope you put together some more sections on the webpage, like a FAQ, describing how you have made it easier.

        I'm planning to derive a distro from nixOS, and replace the nix language with an existing, popular, battle-tested scripting language like Ruby or Perl. ( Ruling out Python & Raku ). This could drive adoption.

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        • metamere@genart.socialM metamere@genart.social

          @thegardendude
          Coming from Windows, I found Linux Mint to make for an easy transition. If you're more used to the Mac OS, I've heard Ubuntu might be a good option (wasn't for me).

          purrperl@noc.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Metamere @thegardendude

          I agree. I was also excited about Ubuntu, though they have added snap packages, and other proprietary extensions.

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          • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

            For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

            ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

            This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

            grumpyoldtechie@hostux.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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            @codemonkeymike I fully agree, but prefer FreeBSD when the computer is for my own use. Ubuntu desktop linux for other people because support is more available.

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            • anatudor@mastodon.socialA anatudor@mastodon.social

              @vwestlife @codemonkeymike I have tried that for my dad. Win 7 install worked fine, true, but then using it didn't... at all. Couldn't even get it to connect to WiFi and he works remotely, so he needs that. Maybe someone who's a computer person could have done it, but I'm not one, my dad even less so and can't afford to pay for that. So then Zorin OS it was. Everything I couldn't get working on Win 7 worked right out of the box. My dad has a working computer instead of a dead one.

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              @anatudor @vwestlife @codemonkeymike There is a whole generation of senior citizens who made the effort to achieve basic IT literacy around the early 2000s but have only ever used Windows. I find they are the most resistant to change, and will often cling stubbornly to old Windows installs packed with malware. In the end if you can get them to try something like an Xfce desktop with LibreOffice they will eventually feel right at home.

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              • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

                candela@mastodon.nlC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @codemonkeymike try finding a 32-bit distribution that works. For some reason, distributions have abandonded 32-bit Linux, while many old PC's and laptops will only run that. I have a HP Notebook (formerly 32-bit 32 XP) and I still fail to find a working Linux distro.

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                • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                  For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                  ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                  This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

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                  @codemonkeymike You are generally right, of course, i also hate that Microsoft / Apple is doing this.

                  But there are still easy and not forbidden ways to install Win11 on older Machines and there is also a (kinda costy) Windows 10 LTSC version that is supported till 2032.

                  Also i have strong feelings against people who say that Linux makes an old system fast. That is often not the case, and after hearing this everywhere people keep posting frustated on our unix-board about their core2duo & co

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                  • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                    For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                    ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                    This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

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                    @codemonkeymike I've worked with these folks and the first step is re-image them with Linux https://worldcomputerexchange.org/

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                    • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                      For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                      ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                      This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

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                      @codemonkeymike

                      Hi.
                      What's that "computer upcycle project" ?

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                      • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                        For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                        ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                        This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

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                        @Aphelie_epi_dor
                        Moreover, Tux is cuuute!🐧

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                        • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                          For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                          ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                          This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

                          elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @codemonkeymike ... unless it has a shitty wifi chip... or an unsupported sound chip... then good luck :p. It's a paperweight at that point, unless you run an ancient OS.

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                          • purrperl@noc.socialP purrperl@noc.social

                            @codemonkeymike @thegardendude

                            I am an experienced Linux user and excited about nixOS. Doesn't it require some scripting though, compared to other distros?
                            This looks very good. I hope you put together some more sections on the webpage, like a FAQ, describing how you have made it easier.

                            I'm planning to derive a distro from nixOS, and replace the nix language with an existing, popular, battle-tested scripting language like Ruby or Perl. ( Ruling out Python & Raku ). This could drive adoption.

                            zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @purrperl @thegardendude @codemonkeymike
                            NixOS doesn't require traditional scripting. Instead of writing imperative shell scripts to install packages or configure services, you define your entire system's desired state in a declarative configuration file using the Nix language.

                            This means you declare what your system should look like (e.g., "I want Firefox and a web server enabled"), and NixOS handles the "how" automatically. This approach provides powerful benefits like reproducibility, atomic upgrades, and easy rollbacks, replacing ad-hoc scripts with a single, version-controllable source of truth.

                            There is no other way..

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                            • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                              For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                              ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                              This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

                              zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @codemonkeymike Fedora Atomic version for the win, really.
                              Not only the upgrades are rollback but it's immutable> there get to know containers!
                              They can hack your container or a tool of it but not the host at all.

                              All tools are in their Podman under the hood container form named Toolbox ( an easy way to manage tools in a container with just 1 command)
                              As running all tools NOT exposed to internet in a container, for other tools THAT USE INTERNET CONNECTION or others you can take Flatpak > on fedora they are Sandboxed.

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                              • tschenkel@mathstodon.xyzT tschenkel@mathstodon.xyz

                                @vwestlife @codemonkeymike

                                Older versions of Windows are not an option. Since they don't receive updates anymore, they are open barndoors for malware.

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                                @tschenkel @vwestlife @codemonkeymike Dual boot a linux on it!
                                As base, if you want more install DistroBox and put another Distro Linux on it on top.
                                On this pc I use hypervisor to run my Linux with greatest part of SSD but others as refurbished iMac's are all Linux from boot.
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                                • metamere@genart.socialM metamere@genart.social

                                  @thegardendude
                                  Coming from Windows, I found Linux Mint to make for an easy transition. If you're more used to the Mac OS, I've heard Ubuntu might be a good option (wasn't for me).

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                                  @Metamere @thegardendude

                                  Instaed of Ubuntu, check out Solus, which is pretty well maintained and doesn't need to hide.

                                  I use it as my main distro since ~ a year and like it.
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                                  • codemonkeymike@fosstodon.orgC codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org

                                    For many people, the #Linux vs #Windows vs #Mac debate is a privilege — it assumes you can choose. But working with the Computer Upcycle Project, I've seen the real choice is often Linux vs no computer at all.

                                    ~95% of donated computers are "too old" for Windows 11 or macOS. Linux installs on them anyway, adding 10+ years of life to machines #Microsoft and #Apple called trash.

                                    This isn't Linux vs Windows. It's Linux vs e-waste.

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                                    @codemonkeymike , after I retired a few years ago I switched my personal computers to Linux. I do still have one with Win 11 for a couple of programs that only work on it. I wish FreeBSD would get better laptop support, I've always been more comfortable in BSD, HP-UX, AIX, etc. than System V stuff.

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                                    • m1rk0@social.defcon42.netM m1rk0@social.defcon42.net

                                      @codemonkeymike My 2015 machine is still running Win11 with ease and gets all the updates without issues. Yes, i had to tweak the installation process, but there are dozens of tools for dummies out there to guide you through it.
                                      I don't want to win an argument, but please tell the full story. You are hurting only yourself.

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                                      @m1rk0 @codemonkeymike you are full of bloat and AI knows everything you do. That is the argument.
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                                      • thegardendude@regenerate.socialT thegardendude@regenerate.social

                                        @codemonkeymike What’s a good Linux distro for someone new to Linux?

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                                        @thegardendude @codemonkeymike I work in research and a lot of new converts use either Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Personally, I use Fedora/Budgie, before that Fedora Gnome. As another has already mentioned, check and see if the distro has a “Live” version, meaning you can burn the ISO to portable storage and try the O.S. before committing.

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                                        • elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE elizafox@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @codemonkeymike ... unless it has a shitty wifi chip... or an unsupported sound chip... then good luck :p. It's a paperweight at that point, unless you run an ancient OS.

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                                          @Elizafox true but that's few and far between in my experience. But yes this does happen.

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