Nice to see a Mastodon shout-out on The Daily Show last night, thanks to @eff Executive Director Cindy Cohn!
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@stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff u may change the instance but u can't change ur views. So problem still the same.
@GOKUSHRM @marcusxms @andypiper @eff I’m not sure what problem you are referring too
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@andypiper @eff this is awesome!
for people that want to skip to the part where Cohn talks about Mastodon, it starts at 20:27
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@GOKUSHRM @marcusxms @andypiper @eff I’m not sure what problem you are referring too
@stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff where is freedom when u have to obey the rules
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@stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff where is freedom when u have to obey the rules
@GOKUSHRM @marcusxms @andypiper @eff Why can’t freedom exist within the boundaries of the rules?
Does your freedom has to come at the expense of someone else?
Respect is more important than saying whatever the heck you want
It’s not that hard
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@GOKUSHRM @marcusxms @andypiper @eff Why can’t freedom exist within the boundaries of the rules?
Does your freedom has to come at the expense of someone else?
Respect is more important than saying whatever the heck you want
It’s not that hard
@stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff if ur views hurt someone that doesn't mean u don't respect them.
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@Landa @stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff plying with neighbour & writing on social are different things.. Social media promotes their stuff as freedom of speech. But when users write or post something that doesn't match their rules or agendas they start banning them.
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Nice to see a Mastodon shout-out on The Daily Show last night, thanks to @eff Executive Director Cindy Cohn!
It's a longer segment, with some interesting nuance around social media and censorship later in the conversation.
(disclosure: I am an EFF Member / sustaining donor)
YouTube link (I don't think there's a Peertube version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo
@andypiper @eff I'm behind a VPN and use LibreWolf, which clears a bunch of stuff for me when I quit. I usually don't though. It's usually just open all the time.
When I close it for whatever reason it does take a while before I'm able to watch youtube again. It'll ask me to log in so it knows I'm not a bot or just error out.
But before long I'm able to get in again. I assume all the tracking through other sites has found me.
So no worries. I can watch it.
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@GOKUSHRM @marcusxms @andypiper @eff Why can’t freedom exist within the boundaries of the rules?
Does your freedom has to come at the expense of someone else?
Respect is more important than saying whatever the heck you want
It’s not that hard
@stux @GOKUSHRM @marcusxms @andypiper @eff
I'm blocking that troll. No wonder he got suspended: he's testing boundaries so he can break things.
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@andypiper @eff I'm behind a VPN and use LibreWolf, which clears a bunch of stuff for me when I quit. I usually don't though. It's usually just open all the time.
When I close it for whatever reason it does take a while before I'm able to watch youtube again. It'll ask me to log in so it knows I'm not a bot or just error out.
But before long I'm able to get in again. I assume all the tracking through other sites has found me.
So no worries. I can watch it.
@andypiper @eff And it's well worth watching. I really like the back and forth between her and him. Totally on her side and she argued it very effectively, I think. I was already though.
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Nice to see a Mastodon shout-out on The Daily Show last night, thanks to @eff Executive Director Cindy Cohn!
It's a longer segment, with some interesting nuance around social media and censorship later in the conversation.
(disclosure: I am an EFF Member / sustaining donor)
YouTube link (I don't think there's a Peertube version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo
@andypiper@macaw.social @eff@mastodon.social
Shame things were once again about mastodon rather than the fediverse. -
@andypiper @eff I'd like to see the EU ban foreign corporate social media platforms, period. We did it for television and print — there are laws against majority foreign ownership of media in most EU countries. We need to do the same to meta and x and TikTok.
@txtx @andypiper @eff I think you're wildly missing why the EFF has such a standpoint on these things, especially pertaining to speech.
First of all, lawsuits like that are extremely hard to enforce. They wouldn't do any good. We've already seen how that looks with the UK trying to put such fines on 4Chan and its owners. So unless you expect fucking extraditions for people posting bad words online, which is ridiculous, I don't know what your point in bringing up this inability is.
Secondly, regulating corporate social media almost always also means that the hobbyists and small site owners are hit in the crossfire as well. This would be incredibly difficult to navigate without censoring the internet as a whole even moreso than it is now, again demonstrated by the OSA alongside OS-level age verification laws. At least it shifts the burden away from the user though, right?
And lastly, as far as banning foreign ownership of social media companies, how would this be defined in your hypothetical here? Would my fediverse instance, being entirely U.S. based, get banned in the EU? If not, how are we defining "corporate" social media and what other types would be legally defined? How do we put things into this policy that prevent the misuse of it against small instance owners in the future? I don't see a realistic way to do this without making some serious compromises on the freedom to communicate with others on the internet. Also imagine if the US implemented a similar rule, or other countries for that matter. Everyone would be in their own walled-off silo, which is not what the internet was intended to be nor what it should become. -
Nice to see a Mastodon shout-out on The Daily Show last night, thanks to @eff Executive Director Cindy Cohn!
It's a longer segment, with some interesting nuance around social media and censorship later in the conversation.
(disclosure: I am an EFF Member / sustaining donor)
YouTube link (I don't think there's a Peertube version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo
@andypiper @eff Thank you so much for sharing this!
We've shared it on our other (corporate) social accounts as a cheeky nudge to invite people to join us on the Fediverse. We really want to find ways to encourage educators and filmmakers to join us here.
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Nice to see a Mastodon shout-out on The Daily Show last night, thanks to @eff Executive Director Cindy Cohn!
It's a longer segment, with some interesting nuance around social media and censorship later in the conversation.
(disclosure: I am an EFF Member / sustaining donor)
YouTube link (I don't think there's a Peertube version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo
@andypiper @eff
Cindy wasn't able to expand on the Mastodon thought, though. Jon kind of skips over the thought.
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@txtx @andypiper @eff I think you're wildly missing why the EFF has such a standpoint on these things, especially pertaining to speech.
First of all, lawsuits like that are extremely hard to enforce. They wouldn't do any good. We've already seen how that looks with the UK trying to put such fines on 4Chan and its owners. So unless you expect fucking extraditions for people posting bad words online, which is ridiculous, I don't know what your point in bringing up this inability is.
Secondly, regulating corporate social media almost always also means that the hobbyists and small site owners are hit in the crossfire as well. This would be incredibly difficult to navigate without censoring the internet as a whole even moreso than it is now, again demonstrated by the OSA alongside OS-level age verification laws. At least it shifts the burden away from the user though, right?
And lastly, as far as banning foreign ownership of social media companies, how would this be defined in your hypothetical here? Would my fediverse instance, being entirely U.S. based, get banned in the EU? If not, how are we defining "corporate" social media and what other types would be legally defined? How do we put things into this policy that prevent the misuse of it against small instance owners in the future? I don't see a realistic way to do this without making some serious compromises on the freedom to communicate with others on the internet. Also imagine if the US implemented a similar rule, or other countries for that matter. Everyone would be in their own walled-off silo, which is not what the internet was intended to be nor what it should become.Ummm...solving problems via lawsuits was the recommendation from the EFF. She's wearing an actual "sue the government" t-shirt in that interview.
I specifically said I *cannot* be expected to sue either these companies nor random internet people, so we need other solutions.
Redirect your rage please.
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@Landa @stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff plying with neighbour & writing on social are different things.. Social media promotes their stuff as freedom of speech. But when users write or post something that doesn't match their rules or agendas they start banning them.
@GOKUSHRM @Landa @marcusxms @andypiper @eff We are not for "freedom of speech" and never ever said that
Free speech is just a bullshit excuse to act like an a-hole without consequences
Thanks but NO thanks
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Ummm...solving problems via lawsuits was the recommendation from the EFF. She's wearing an actual "sue the government" t-shirt in that interview.
I specifically said I *cannot* be expected to sue either these companies nor random internet people, so we need other solutions.
Redirect your rage please.
@txtx @andypiper @eff not necessarily raging, seems like I misread since I thought you were complaining about not being able to sue people. My bad there
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As far as preventing small instances from getting hit though, yes in theory that's easy but good luck having legislators actually write a comprehensive law that hits one and not the other. I have yet to see it in practice when it comes to digital laws. -
@Landa @stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff plying with neighbour & writing on social are different things.. Social media promotes their stuff as freedom of speech. But when users write or post something that doesn't match their rules or agendas they start banning them.
@GOKUSHRM @Landa @stux @marcusxms @andypiper @eff
Mastodon is the online version of a No Kings rally. Braindead boomers who gaslight you into thinking this platform isnt just another establishment cult. Stux is the perfect example of an authoritarian given a little power to enforce his brand of fascism.
Oh, and John Stewart is a fucking liberal zionist scum who supports the establishment-- just like mastodon. Bfd. -
@andypiper @eff “[Social networks] are not free speech, they are algorithmic speech, they are processed speech, kind of like doritos are food,” that’s a great point!
Unless the particular social network is not algorithm driven
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Nice to see a Mastodon shout-out on The Daily Show last night, thanks to @eff Executive Director Cindy Cohn!
It's a longer segment, with some interesting nuance around social media and censorship later in the conversation.
(disclosure: I am an EFF Member / sustaining donor)
YouTube link (I don't think there's a Peertube version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo
@andypiper @eff Great video !
I regret there wasn’t mention of SJGames’ FBI raid at the birth of EFF in 1990… but that’s my rpggeek talking -
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