i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original
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@SRAZKVT @lu_leipzig there is a more real problem of "some people bounce off contributing if you ask them to fix style"
@whitequark @lu_leipzig yea, such as: the code being shit
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@whitequark @lu_leipzig most tooling devs today seem to believe in a one size fits all with no configurability, kind of sad
also i think the problem of "but if every codebase isn't formatted exactly the same" is way overblown, once you start reading the code it really doesn't take long to adapt to a new style, barely a few minutes from my experience
@SRAZKVT @whitequark @lu_leipzig in general, I agree, but I almost wish I could have just told the software teams that I worked with a couple years ago “this is style for this language, just drank with it” instead of having hours of meetings about clang-format settings.
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@SRAZKVT @whitequark @lu_leipzig in general, I agree, but I almost wish I could have just told the software teams that I worked with a couple years ago “this is style for this language, just drank with it” instead of having hours of meetings about clang-format settings.
@c0dec0dec0de @SRAZKVT @lu_leipzig I think it's different for corporate. I don't really care about most corporate code I touch (that isn't already OSS I maintain that is), it's completely whatever. I care a lot about this in projects I'm invested in success of
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@whitequark So let me get this straight, IEEE thinks you should count it as a win if rewriting your code by vibing it has less than 15% better odds than a literal coinflip of reproducibility?
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@disorderlyf @whitequark i think "ideal" here means "the best case scenario that we encountered under ideal conditions", as opposed to a target for how it should be
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@c0dec0dec0de @SRAZKVT @lu_leipzig I think it's different for corporate. I don't really care about most corporate code I touch (that isn't already OSS I maintain that is), it's completely whatever. I care a lot about this in projects I'm invested in success of
@whitequark @SRAZKVT @lu_leipzig I get that. At the end of it, I was just like pick something, I don’t care. This will make your code more readable regardless what you pick and minimize diffs in some cases.
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i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original
the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%
@whitequark Uh, that's crazy O.o
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@disorderlyf @whitequark IEEE and ACM don't do the research nor they think you to do things, they are publishers that own journals and conferences where researchers publish their work
@urixturing @whitequark I initially thought IEEE was like a standards body specifically for networking, like a hardware W3C. Regardless of who did the research, I thought this was their conclusion. It sounds like I was wrong on both parts
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@disorderlyf @whitequark i think "ideal" here means "the best case scenario that we encountered under ideal conditions", as opposed to a target for how it should be
@sammy @whitequark I hope you're right
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@urixturing @whitequark I initially thought IEEE was like a standards body specifically for networking, like a hardware W3C. Regardless of who did the research, I thought this was their conclusion. It sounds like I was wrong on both parts
@disorderlyf @whitequark that would be the IETF, who publishes the RFCs (networking standards like email or HTTP)
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@disorderlyf @whitequark that would be the IETF, who publishes the RFCs (networking standards like email or HTTP)
@disorderlyf @whitequark but honestly I understand why it's very confusing
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i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original
the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%
@whitequark They also solved the halting problem? -
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