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  • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    Addenum to my @LAS talk!

    I don't think people realized that #flatpak next basically fixes everything. Browsers will use their own sandboxes, steam, password managers, etc.

    And a new VPN portal. All of the razorburn goes away.

    All we need to do is gather a bunch of #rust nerds.

    I would like too amend my statement: "The gamer kids and the rust kids will save Linux, and the ops people will help them succeed."

    sigurdur@mastodon.onlineS deobald@fantastic.earthD 2something@transfem.social2 phnt@fluffytail.orgP 4 Replies Last reply
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    • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

      Addenum to my @LAS talk!

      I don't think people realized that #flatpak next basically fixes everything. Browsers will use their own sandboxes, steam, password managers, etc.

      And a new VPN portal. All of the razorburn goes away.

      All we need to do is gather a bunch of #rust nerds.

      I would like too amend my statement: "The gamer kids and the rust kids will save Linux, and the ops people will help them succeed."

      sigurdur@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
      sigurdur@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @jorge @LAS
      I watched that talk, but is there a follow-up blog post about Flatpak Next? I only see stuff from last year online

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      • sigurdur@mastodon.onlineS sigurdur@mastodon.online

        @jorge @LAS
        I watched that talk, but is there a follow-up blog post about Flatpak Next? I only see stuff from last year online

        jorge@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @sigurdur @LAS The talk is in the stream video so you have to search through the 2 days of raw footage. But they usually put the videos up individually later on.

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        • sigurdur@mastodon.onlineS sigurdur@mastodon.online

          @jorge @LAS
          I watched that talk, but is there a follow-up blog post about Flatpak Next? I only see stuff from last year online

          jigendaisukejr@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @sigurdur @jorge @LAS https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1AXBfsiaQNk&t=16218s

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          • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

            Addenum to my @LAS talk!

            I don't think people realized that #flatpak next basically fixes everything. Browsers will use their own sandboxes, steam, password managers, etc.

            And a new VPN portal. All of the razorburn goes away.

            All we need to do is gather a bunch of #rust nerds.

            I would like too amend my statement: "The gamer kids and the rust kids will save Linux, and the ops people will help them succeed."

            deobald@fantastic.earthD This user is from outside of this forum
            deobald@fantastic.earthD This user is from outside of this forum
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            @jorge @LAS "gamer kids save linux" is so much punchier, though 😜

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            • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

              Addenum to my @LAS talk!

              I don't think people realized that #flatpak next basically fixes everything. Browsers will use their own sandboxes, steam, password managers, etc.

              And a new VPN portal. All of the razorburn goes away.

              All we need to do is gather a bunch of #rust nerds.

              I would like too amend my statement: "The gamer kids and the rust kids will save Linux, and the ops people will help them succeed."

              2something@transfem.social2 This user is from outside of this forum
              2something@transfem.social2 This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jorge@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social

              I see the slides in the talk make repeated mention of creating systemd services. What does this mean for distros that use flatpak but don't have systemd?

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              • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

                @jorge@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social

                I see the slides in the talk make repeated mention of creating systemd services. What does this mean for distros that use flatpak but don't have systemd?

                jorge@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @2something @LAS I don't know, ask them?

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                • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                  @2something @LAS I don't know, ask them?

                  2something@transfem.social2 This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @jorge@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social

                  I'm asking for clarification: Will Flatpak Next/Flatpak 2 depend on systemd?

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                  • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

                    @jorge@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social

                    I'm asking for clarification: Will Flatpak Next/Flatpak 2 depend on systemd?

                    jorge@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                    kimapr@ublog.kimapr.netK srazkvt@tech.lgbtS rey@toot.catR nelson@wetdry.worldN flammableengineering@app.wafrn.netF 7 Replies Last reply
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                    • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                      @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                      kimapr@ublog.kimapr.netK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @jorge@hachyderm.io @2something@transfem.social @LAS@floss.social As a GNU Guix System user Flatpak has allowed me to access a wider collection of software that is not packaged in the distro that would've been difficult to get running otherwise as Guix is very different and pre-built binaries not specifically made for Guix typically don't work here, while Flatpak provides the same environment as anywhere else. If Flatpak will soon hard-depend on systemd in order to work, however, Flatpak would not work on GNU Guix any more as Guix uses GNU Shepherd rather than systemd (this will never change). Which means that for me as well as any other Flatpak user in a similar situation the Linux Desktop experience will get worse, not better, as a result of this change...

                      valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.ioV jorge@hachyderm.ioJ 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                        @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                        srazkvt@tech.lgbtS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @jorge @2something @LAS right, because that's obvious, even though flatpak currently doesn't, and it is the very reason those distros recommend flatpak over trying to wrangle snap into working

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                        • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                          Addenum to my @LAS talk!

                          I don't think people realized that #flatpak next basically fixes everything. Browsers will use their own sandboxes, steam, password managers, etc.

                          And a new VPN portal. All of the razorburn goes away.

                          All we need to do is gather a bunch of #rust nerds.

                          I would like too amend my statement: "The gamer kids and the rust kids will save Linux, and the ops people will help them succeed."

                          phnt@fluffytail.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @jorge@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social So this is how Linux goes to die.

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                          • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                            @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                            rey@toot.catR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @jorge @2something @LAS oooof, bad move

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                            • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                              @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                              nelson@wetdry.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @jorge @2something @LAS booooo

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                              • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                                @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                                flammableengineering@app.wafrn.netF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @jorge@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social @2something@transfem.social

                                I would really rather it not, especially since systemd seems to endorse merging AI slop.

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                                • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                                  @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

                                  amlor@fux.amA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @jorge @2something @LAS oh ffs. Glad I decided to dive into BSD recently.

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                                  • kimapr@ublog.kimapr.netK kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net

                                    @jorge@hachyderm.io @2something@transfem.social @LAS@floss.social As a GNU Guix System user Flatpak has allowed me to access a wider collection of software that is not packaged in the distro that would've been difficult to get running otherwise as Guix is very different and pre-built binaries not specifically made for Guix typically don't work here, while Flatpak provides the same environment as anywhere else. If Flatpak will soon hard-depend on systemd in order to work, however, Flatpak would not work on GNU Guix any more as Guix uses GNU Shepherd rather than systemd (this will never change). Which means that for me as well as any other Flatpak user in a similar situation the Linux Desktop experience will get worse, not better, as a result of this change...

                                    valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.ioV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @kimapr @LAS @jorge @2something The solution here is to use a normal operating system.

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                                    • valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.ioV valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.io

                                      @kimapr @LAS @jorge @2something The solution here is to use a normal operating system.

                                      kimapr@ublog.kimapr.netK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social @jorge@hachyderm.io @2something@transfem.social Like Microsoft Windows?

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                                      • kimapr@ublog.kimapr.netK kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net

                                        @valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.io @LAS@floss.social @jorge@hachyderm.io @2something@transfem.social Like Microsoft Windows?

                                        2something@transfem.social2 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net @LAS@floss.social @jorge@hachyderm.io @valerie_tar_gz@hachyderm.io I was just about to ask if they meant iOS or Android.

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                                        • jorge@hachyderm.ioJ jorge@hachyderm.io

                                          @2something @LAS Are you serious? Of course.

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                                          @jorge @2something @LAS epic self-own there, oof

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