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  3. I’m not giving any details of the WHCD shooting my attention, but •this• — the coordination of messaging, the degree of synchronization, the speed of it — is a story worth pursuing.

I’m not giving any details of the WHCD shooting my attention, but •this• — the coordination of messaging, the degree of synchronization, the speed of it — is a story worth pursuing.

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  • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

    @fsinn @inthehands Also, “build the ballroom: it’ll save Donald Trump’s life” might not be the slam-dunk argument with Democrats they somehow imagine it to be. 🧐🙄

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    @tantramar @fsinn @inthehands

    Why should he have protections that we refuse to give our school children

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    • darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD darwinwoodka@mastodon.social

      @tantramar @fsinn @inthehands

      Why should he have protections that we refuse to give our school children

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      @darwinwoodka @tantramar @fsinn @inthehands Protect the guns! /s

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      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

        RE: https://mstdn.social/@MaryAustinBooks/116471283173674476

        I’m not giving any details of the WHCD shooting my attention, but •this• — the coordination of messaging, the degree of synchronization, the speed of it — is a story worth pursuing.

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        @inthehands
        I noticed an abundance of pro trump post at various sites

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        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

          RE: https://mstdn.social/@MaryAustinBooks/116471283173674476

          I’m not giving any details of the WHCD shooting my attention, but •this• — the coordination of messaging, the degree of synchronization, the speed of it — is a story worth pursuing.

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          @inthehands Kyle Gass said nothing wrong on stage in 2024.

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          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

            RE: https://mstdn.social/@MaryAustinBooks/116471283173674476

            I’m not giving any details of the WHCD shooting my attention, but •this• — the coordination of messaging, the degree of synchronization, the speed of it — is a story worth pursuing.

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            @inthehands

            the ballroom is silo #1

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            • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

              RE: https://mstdn.social/@MaryAustinBooks/116471283173674476

              I’m not giving any details of the WHCD shooting my attention, but •this• — the coordination of messaging, the degree of synchronization, the speed of it — is a story worth pursuing.

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              To be clear: with these people I always look to opportunism before conspiracy to explain their actions — but when you have this kind of rapidly convergent manufactured consensus within a political group, the distinction between those two becomes blurry.

              Looking for malicious premeditation is probably just pursuing a red herring. I’m more interested in how they form their response, what they’re doing to try to shape public conversation, social media, the press.

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              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                To be clear: with these people I always look to opportunism before conspiracy to explain their actions — but when you have this kind of rapidly convergent manufactured consensus within a political group, the distinction between those two becomes blurry.

                Looking for malicious premeditation is probably just pursuing a red herring. I’m more interested in how they form their response, what they’re doing to try to shape public conversation, social media, the press.

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                A lot of people in my TL are speculating that the shooting was staged, and…I doubt that, but surely the right-wing •reaction• was. That’s why I say the story of the OP deserves attention.

                People are saying “doing a Reichstag,” and…there’s a long-running debate, but historical consensus leans pretty strongly toward the Reichstag fire itself being a case of fascist opportunism and not fascist premeditation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire#Dispute_about_Van_der_Lubbe's_role

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                • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                  A lot of people in my TL are speculating that the shooting was staged, and…I doubt that, but surely the right-wing •reaction• was. That’s why I say the story of the OP deserves attention.

                  People are saying “doing a Reichstag,” and…there’s a long-running debate, but historical consensus leans pretty strongly toward the Reichstag fire itself being a case of fascist opportunism and not fascist premeditation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire#Dispute_about_Van_der_Lubbe's_role

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                  @inthehands The various Republican officials are all in group chat so they can distribute an exact copy of the same message. I'm fairly sure this came out in discovery more than once, and most famously when they mistakenly invited a journalist to the warcrimes group chat. It's not surprising or illegal. But it does explain how they all come out with exactly the same words, at the same time.

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                  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                    A lot of people in my TL are speculating that the shooting was staged, and…I doubt that, but surely the right-wing •reaction• was. That’s why I say the story of the OP deserves attention.

                    People are saying “doing a Reichstag,” and…there’s a long-running debate, but historical consensus leans pretty strongly toward the Reichstag fire itself being a case of fascist opportunism and not fascist premeditation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire#Dispute_about_Van_der_Lubbe's_role

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                    @inthehands
                    Yeah I dont actually buy it being a staged event in itself (at least, not without some genuine evidence and all I've seen is the vaguest of vibes).

                    The response, though...pretty hilariously coordinated.

                    Also, I feel like I'm losing my mind, but the WHCD has never been at the white house because it is a conflict of interest/looks bad? So if the ballroom was there...still wouldn't have had it there?

                    Entire point is it's distinct on this one night a year, yes?

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                    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                      A lot of people in my TL are speculating that the shooting was staged, and…I doubt that, but surely the right-wing •reaction• was. That’s why I say the story of the OP deserves attention.

                      People are saying “doing a Reichstag,” and…there’s a long-running debate, but historical consensus leans pretty strongly toward the Reichstag fire itself being a case of fascist opportunism and not fascist premeditation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire#Dispute_about_Van_der_Lubbe's_role

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                      Why go looking for some false flag conspiracy or whatever when we have this in plain sight:

                      - Tight, rapid comms coordination between a would-be authoritarian government and supposedly independent public figures

                      - That messaging control extending across supposedly independent branches of government; total collapse of checks and balances, replaced with government by PR strategy

                      - Mass consolidation of both news media and social media under the control of the billionaire backers of said authoritarians

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                      • burnoutqueen@todon.nlB burnoutqueen@todon.nl

                        @inthehands they're trying to do a Reichstag fire but everyone hates the government so it isn't working.

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                        For a nation who has 100+ mass shootings per year, "Man runs into a hotel with guns, hits a bullet proof vest, and is arrested" just ain't something that's going to get that many normies to change their minds about how their pick up trucks now cost $100 to fuel.

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                        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                          Why go looking for some false flag conspiracy or whatever when we have this in plain sight:

                          - Tight, rapid comms coordination between a would-be authoritarian government and supposedly independent public figures

                          - That messaging control extending across supposedly independent branches of government; total collapse of checks and balances, replaced with government by PR strategy

                          - Mass consolidation of both news media and social media under the control of the billionaire backers of said authoritarians

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                          Here’s a news story I’d click:

                          An analysis of how the coordinated right-wing response to the WHCD shooting is a microcosm of the strategy behind the Epstein files coverup

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                          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                            For a nation who has 100+ mass shootings per year, "Man runs into a hotel with guns, hits a bullet proof vest, and is arrested" just ain't something that's going to get that many normies to change their minds about how their pick up trucks now cost $100 to fuel.

                            @burnoutqueen @inthehands

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                            @JessTheUnstill @burnoutqueen @inthehands Also, and maybe this is just the Canadian in me spitballing here, but what about a White House Ballroom makes it less likely for "Man runs into ballroom with guns, hits a bullet proof vest, and is arrested" going to be a replacement for the headline?

                            Like, if anything that seems more likely, because then everyone knows *where* the President is for any given event hosted there. Wouldn't even need to figure out if he was invited.

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                            • at1st@mstdn.caA at1st@mstdn.ca

                              @JessTheUnstill @burnoutqueen @inthehands Also, and maybe this is just the Canadian in me spitballing here, but what about a White House Ballroom makes it less likely for "Man runs into ballroom with guns, hits a bullet proof vest, and is arrested" going to be a replacement for the headline?

                              Like, if anything that seems more likely, because then everyone knows *where* the President is for any given event hosted there. Wouldn't even need to figure out if he was invited.

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                              @AT1ST @burnoutqueen @inthehands The White House already has tightly controlled entrances and exits with permanent physical barriers against people easily running through checkpoints, etc. It's like just because you happen to know where the Oval Office is, that doesn't mean squat since there's no conceivable way for someone to get there without being pinged by 4 snipers or tackled by guards or whatever.

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                              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                Here’s a news story I’d click:

                                An analysis of how the coordinated right-wing response to the WHCD shooting is a microcosm of the strategy behind the Epstein files coverup

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                                @inthehands best post of the day.

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                                • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                  Why go looking for some false flag conspiracy or whatever when we have this in plain sight:

                                  - Tight, rapid comms coordination between a would-be authoritarian government and supposedly independent public figures

                                  - That messaging control extending across supposedly independent branches of government; total collapse of checks and balances, replaced with government by PR strategy

                                  - Mass consolidation of both news media and social media under the control of the billionaire backers of said authoritarians

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                                  @inthehands
                                  Ok. You're onto something.
                                  It lands. It occurred to me that a premeditated false flag op would require more organizational competence than the Magas have ever displayed.
                                  Unfortunately, I'm not imagining much reaction to the Magas being in lock step when they're not supposed to be. That's been the case the whole time. I think more than half of the US doesn't care about that.

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                                  • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                                    @fsinn @inthehands Also, “build the ballroom: it’ll save Donald Trump’s life” might not be the slam-dunk argument with Democrats they somehow imagine it to be. 🧐🙄

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                                    @tantramar @fsinn @inthehands 1. The security worked, assuming it was a real attempt, it's my understanding he still had 2 security checkpoints to get through before even seeing Trump. 2. Why would a ballroom change anything? 3. If it was normal ballroom or banquet hall there would be less controversy. It's insanely expensive and coated in gold. Never heard of "security" measures being planned for the ballroom.

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                                      @tantramar @fsinn @inthehands 1. The security worked, assuming it was a real attempt, it's my understanding he still had 2 security checkpoints to get through before even seeing Trump. 2. Why would a ballroom change anything? 3. If it was normal ballroom or banquet hall there would be less controversy. It's insanely expensive and coated in gold. Never heard of "security" measures being planned for the ballroom.

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                                      @tantramar @fsinn @inthehands have them state "we can't disclose location but there is a instantly activating hidden tunnel to a safe house" or go full evil and have automatic turrets scanning for guns or knives, or maybe have multiple layers of bullet proof glass surrounding the president from the general public.

                                      "we need this ball room because there was just another assassination attempt." would then have a point. As is a ballroom would change nothing.

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                                      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                        Why go looking for some false flag conspiracy or whatever when we have this in plain sight:

                                        - Tight, rapid comms coordination between a would-be authoritarian government and supposedly independent public figures

                                        - That messaging control extending across supposedly independent branches of government; total collapse of checks and balances, replaced with government by PR strategy

                                        - Mass consolidation of both news media and social media under the control of the billionaire backers of said authoritarians

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                                        @inthehands Cantrell's Razor: never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by coordinated opportunism.

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                                        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                          Here’s a news story I’d click:

                                          An analysis of how the coordinated right-wing response to the WHCD shooting is a microcosm of the strategy behind the Epstein files coverup

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                                          I endorse this. (Not sure I deserve my name on it, since it’s not my exact phrasing, but I endorse the thought!)

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                                          @inthehands@hachyderm.io Cantrell's Razor: never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by coordinated opportunism.

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