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  3. i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

    i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

    the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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    @whitequark Huh. Were they actually trying to make it work, or trying to show that it's a bad idea to try to use ML for that task?

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    • theartlav@anarres.familyT theartlav@anarres.family

      @whitequark Huh. Were they actually trying to make it work, or trying to show that it's a bad idea to try to use ML for that task?

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      @theartlav former

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        @porglezomp there's explanatory text that says the issue with the identifier "found" is that it's rarely used

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        @whitequark I really love “not changing endl to \n” listed as a style issue when that changes buffer flushing behavior.

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        • porglezomp@mastodon.socialP porglezomp@mastodon.social

          @whitequark I really love “not changing endl to \n” listed as a style issue when that changes buffer flushing behavior.

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          @porglezomp did you notice that one of the If tokens is capitalized in the output

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            @porglezomp did you notice that one of the If tokens is capitalized in the output

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            @whitequark hahaha I did not

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              @porglezomp you'll love Fig. 6

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              @whitequark @porglezomp I'm spitting out my drink at j++ ­→ j--. Holy shit.

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

                the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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                @whitequark you know where there's a ready source of additional words? you surely will not regret sourcing additional words.

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                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                  i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

                  the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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                  Got a link?
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                  • matthewcroughan@social.defenestrate.itM matthewcroughan@social.defenestrate.it
                    Got a link?
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                    @matthewcroughan https://upload.whitequark.org/1774306843-Duetcs_Code_Style_Transfer_through_Generation_and_Retrieval.pdf

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                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                      i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

                      the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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                      @whitequark not a paper *deliberately* about genetic algorithms, then?

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

                        the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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                        @whitequark "Code style generally does not interfere
                        with the code semantics and executability"; but we present novel methods for it to do so!

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                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                          this isn't satire, this is real research published by IEEE/ACM

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                          @whitequark So let me get this straight, IEEE thinks you should count it as a win if rewriting your code by vibing it has less than 15% better odds than a literal coinflip of reproducibility?

                          edited for clarity and to fix a typo

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                          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                            this isn't satire, this is real research published by IEEE/ACM

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                            @whitequark @danlyke so … by "reformatted" I assume you mean aesthetically tidied up, with no change in functionality required?

                            If I got that right: wtf?

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

                              the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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                              @whitequark compare and contrast the Extreme Programming philosophy, in which a code change doesn't count as "refactoring" unless all observable behavior is identical

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                              • deborahh@cosocial.caD deborahh@cosocial.ca

                                @whitequark @danlyke so … by "reformatted" I assume you mean aesthetically tidied up, with no change in functionality required?

                                If I got that right: wtf?

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                                @deborahh @danlyke this is what a reasonable person would understand to be "code style", yes

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                                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                  i'm at a loss of words after reading a paper about reformatting code using an ML model that has a measured statistical quantity A_c which says how often the reformatted code behaves the same as the original

                                  the "ideal" (their choice of words) case is 64.2%

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                                  @whitequark And this is how research money is lit on fire, I guess. Why else conduct research into ML for a task that has had obvious, deterministic, efficient and well-tested solutions for decades?

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                                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                    @porglezomp you'll love Fig. 6

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                                    @whitequark @porglezomp This looks like it could join the current crop of "DLSS5 off/DLSS5 on" memes.

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                                    • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                                      @whitequark compare and contrast the Extreme Programming philosophy, in which a code change doesn't count as "refactoring" unless all observable behavior is identical

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                                      @ireneista TIL that my philosophy is the same as the Extreme Programming philosophy

                                      @whitequark

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                                      • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                                        @whitequark compare and contrast the Extreme Programming philosophy, in which a code change doesn't count as "refactoring" unless all observable behavior is identical

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                                        @ireneista i like how it starts with this (left) and ends with "here is a variable we think would be good here. Do you like this" (right)

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                                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @ireneista i like how it starts with this (left) and ends with "here is a variable we think would be good here. Do you like this" (right)

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                                          @ireneista starting with "gotofail bad" and ending with making the problem significantly worse, apparently without ever reflecting on this

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