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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 31 - 4 May - Rimini - Bologna - Milano - Lugano - Basel - Strasbourg

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  • cycling_on_rails@mastodon.socialC cycling_on_rails@mastodon.social

    @stefanlindbohm @jon Short answer: buy with SBB for hassle-free quick purchase, or split in Annemasse.

    Long answer:
    - SNCF Connect doesn't work in CH.
    - You can get up to 50% off on a round-trip on this line with SNCF Carte Avantage (at off-peak times).
    - SBB doesn't know about SNCF discount cards.
    - The border station is Annemasse.

    (If you travel Geneva-Bellegarde it's simpler as the border station is Geneva so the train always stays "in France".)

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    @cycling_on_rails Very helpful! Thank you.

    So we should
    1) For domestic segments always use either SNCF or SBB
    2) Ticket cross-border journeys through SBB by default as one ticket
    3) Unless the user added a SNCF Carte Avantage, then split in Annemasse and use the separate systems. (Provided we add support for split tickets - we will do this sooner or later due to UK.)

    Assuming split tickets are allowed in this specific case? I guess the border crossing is what would make a difference?

    @jon

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      @knud @hopla right. Exactly. But on trains through Kehl it’s damned annoying.

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      @jon @hopla

      Yes, been there, done that several times already. Next time will be end of the month.

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        @hopla @Sobex @knud they’re not the sharpest police!

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        @jon @hopla @Sobex

        They're also not the most motivated, I assume. A recent article discussed the Bundespolizisten being away from family for weeks, staying in hotels, knowing it's just for show. That does take a toll on them as well.

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Interrail is a bit odd these days. In neither Trenitalia Frecciarossa or IC, nor regional trains of Trenord or Trenitalia TPER has anyone wanted to scan the Interrail QR. Do their devices not scan it?

          And a cursory look at a reservation isn’t very secure!

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          @jon the go live of new interrail barcodes is…. Tomorrow! I hope they have that functional

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          • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

            @cycling_on_rails Very helpful! Thank you.

            So we should
            1) For domestic segments always use either SNCF or SBB
            2) Ticket cross-border journeys through SBB by default as one ticket
            3) Unless the user added a SNCF Carte Avantage, then split in Annemasse and use the separate systems. (Provided we add support for split tickets - we will do this sooner or later due to UK.)

            Assuming split tickets are allowed in this specific case? I guess the border crossing is what would make a difference?

            @jon

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            @stefanlindbohm @jon Yeah no clue if splitting is officially allowed or not, but in practice given the cross-border context I doubt any member of staff would make a fuss. Ticket checks aren't frequent on this line anyway.

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            • cycling_on_rails@mastodon.socialC cycling_on_rails@mastodon.social

              @stefanlindbohm @jon Yeah no clue if splitting is officially allowed or not, but in practice given the cross-border context I doubt any member of staff would make a fuss. Ticket checks aren't frequent on this line anyway.

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              @stefanlindbohm @jon It might be relevant if you buy a saver ticket (discounted train-bound) on the SBB side but the incoming French train was delayed/cancelled.

              Once my train caught delay between Annemasse and Geneva so I missed my connection, but as I was already on a Swiss ticket from Annemasse the train-bound restriction was levied as customary. However I was surprised that the ticket inspector didn't see a warning about it upfront & I had to tell them to check the delayed train's schedule.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Interrail is a bit odd these days. In neither Trenitalia Frecciarossa or IC, nor regional trains of Trenord or Trenitalia TPER has anyone wanted to scan the Interrail QR. Do their devices not scan it?

                And a cursory look at a reservation isn’t very secure!

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                @jon Renfe rarely scan the interrail ticket, or even ask to see it, and it's about 50/50 with SNCF, I've found…

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                • knud@mastodon.socialK knud@mastodon.social

                  @jon @hopla @Sobex

                  They're also not the most motivated, I assume. A recent article discussed the Bundespolizisten being away from family for weeks, staying in hotels, knowing it's just for show. That does take a toll on them as well.

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                  #114

                  @knud @hopla @Sobex right, exactly. This suits no one.

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                  • maartje@blahaj.socialM maartje@blahaj.social

                    @jon the go live of new interrail barcodes is…. Tomorrow! I hope they have that functional

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                    @maartje LOL. I‘m awaiting all sorts of shit then!

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      Interrail is a bit odd these days. In neither Trenitalia Frecciarossa or IC, nor regional trains of Trenord or Trenitalia TPER has anyone wanted to scan the Interrail QR. Do their devices not scan it?

                      And a cursory look at a reservation isn’t very secure!

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                      #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 106 of 125
                      IC 680
                      14:02 Lugano - Basel SBB 16:55
                      SBB

                      Train type: Bombardier Twindexx EMU, 8 double deck carriages
                      ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                      🚲: ✅
                      🦽: ✅ (step free)
                      🛜: ⛔️
                      🍽️: ✅
                      🧳: 🙂 (as double deck designs go, it’s good)
                      🧽: 🙂
                      Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 106 of 125
                        IC 680
                        14:02 Lugano - Basel SBB 16:55
                        SBB

                        Train type: Bombardier Twindexx EMU, 8 double deck carriages
                        ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                        🚲: ✅
                        🦽: ✅ (step free)
                        🛜: ⛔️
                        🍽️: ✅
                        🧳: 🙂 (as double deck designs go, it’s good)
                        🧽: 🙂
                        Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

                        Link Preview Image
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                        IC 680
                        14:02 Lugano - Basel SBB 16:55

                        Distance: 263.9km
                        Average speed: 92km/h

                        5 stops:
                        Bellinzona
                        Arth-Goldau
                        Luzern
                        Olten
                        Basel SBB

                        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/46.781301/8.315225

                        #CrossBorderRail

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          IC 680
                          14:02 Lugano - Basel SBB 16:55

                          Distance: 263.9km
                          Average speed: 92km/h

                          5 stops:
                          Bellinzona
                          Arth-Goldau
                          Luzern
                          Olten
                          Basel SBB

                          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/46.781301/8.315225

                          #CrossBorderRail

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                          #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 107 of 125
                          TER 96234
                          17:21 Basel SBB - Strasbourg 18:39
                          SNCF for TER Fluo Grand Est

                          Train type: GEC Alsthom, MTE BB 26000 locomotive, 8 Corail carriages, driving control car
                          ⚡️ (25kV ac)
                          🚲: ✅
                          🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                          🛜: ⛔️
                          🍽️: ⛔️
                          🧳: 😐 (narrow doors, high steps)
                          🧽: 😐 (it has been cleaned sometime in the past 12 months, which is progress, but still grimy)
                          Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                            #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 107 of 125
                            TER 96234
                            17:21 Basel SBB - Strasbourg 18:39
                            SNCF for TER Fluo Grand Est

                            Train type: GEC Alsthom, MTE BB 26000 locomotive, 8 Corail carriages, driving control car
                            ⚡️ (25kV ac)
                            🚲: ✅
                            🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                            🛜: ⛔️
                            🍽️: ⛔️
                            🧳: 😐 (narrow doors, high steps)
                            🧽: 😐 (it has been cleaned sometime in the past 12 months, which is progress, but still grimy)
                            Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

                            Link Preview Image
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                            TER 96234
                            17:21 Basel SBB - Strasbourg 18:39

                            Distance: 142km
                            Average speed: 109km/h

                            5 stops:
                            St-Louis
                            Mulhouse Ville
                            Colmar
                            Sélestat
                            Strasbourg

                            This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/48.067068/7.498169

                            #CrossBorderRail

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 106 of 125
                              IC 680
                              14:02 Lugano - Basel SBB 16:55
                              SBB

                              Train type: Bombardier Twindexx EMU, 8 double deck carriages
                              ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                              🚲: ✅
                              🦽: ✅ (step free)
                              🛜: ⛔️
                              🍽️: ✅
                              🧳: 🙂 (as double deck designs go, it’s good)
                              🧽: 🙂
                              Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

                              Link Preview Image
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                              @jon since when does the IC Lugano - Basel pass through Winterthur? 🤪

                              I guess it's just a Stock Photo from you 😅

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                              • k1ngdaka88@zug.networkK k1ngdaka88@zug.network

                                @jon since when does the IC Lugano - Basel pass through Winterthur? 🤪

                                I guess it's just a Stock Photo from you 😅

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                                @K1ngdaKa88 I had to run in Lugano, so could not photograph it there. Sorry! 😬

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  @K1ngdaKa88 I had to run in Lugano, so could not photograph it there. Sorry! 😬

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                                  @jon thought so 🤭

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                                  • k1ngdaka88@zug.networkK k1ngdaka88@zug.network

                                    @jon thought so 🤭

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                                    @K1ngdaKa88 I probably have a photo of one in Basel somewhere. That would have been a better cheat! 🙂

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      TER 96234
                                      17:21 Basel SBB - Strasbourg 18:39

                                      Distance: 142km
                                      Average speed: 109km/h

                                      5 stops:
                                      St-Louis
                                      Mulhouse Ville
                                      Colmar
                                      Sélestat
                                      Strasbourg

                                      This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/48.067068/7.498169

                                      #CrossBorderRail

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                                      Meanwhile in Germany Flix is criticising Italo wanting to enter the rail market

                                      Come on

                                      An operator offering a quality *equivalent or above* that of DB is not what Flix is offering! And Flix buying Talgo trains is not going to make its service much more pleasant anyway

                                      So sorry, Flix - you can't whine about someone else using the rules you yourselves have used

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                                      Konkurrenz für Deutsche Bahn: Italienischer Anbieter Italo plant Markteintritt

                                      Der italienische Anbieter Italo will ab 2028 mit 30 Hochgeschwindigkeitszügen in den deutschen Fernverkehr einsteigen. Flix kritisiert das geplante Vorhaben.

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                                      heise online (www.heise.de)

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                                      • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                                        @jon Renfe rarely scan the interrail ticket, or even ask to see it, and it's about 50/50 with SNCF, I've found…

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                                        @moof @jon When I did my Iberian adventure, I could've not activated my #Interrail pass at all.

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                                        • siegeavecvue@rail.chatS siegeavecvue@rail.chat

                                          @moof @jon When I did my Iberian adventure, I could've not activated my #Interrail pass at all.

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                                          @siegeavecvue @moof @jon same for me the last two return trips to Barcelona from London.

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