IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
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"Just set up a bounce server" If I'm going to the bother how about I set up a fucking Conduwuit instance
@mcc oh why
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@EndlessMason @mcc I'll take precisely zero lol. I like push, it's great when you're blind, so you know you've got messages when you're in another window
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc To be fair, IRC was made in 1988. I doubt they intended for it to last this long, but wow does it ever keep on kicking. It's so simple, open, and minimal that it's easy for any random person or company to keep a server going. It's absolutely lacking in practically every single amenity, so in the end, as one might expect, the only thing it truly has going for it is that sheer, utter, absolute reliability.
It's kind of sad that we don't have a modern equivalent: something reliable, minimal, and simple like that. I wonder if partially we have the whole move to centralization to blame.
(I do really wish that could be something like Matrix, but I know that it just isn't going to get there as things stand. Not even that specifically, just... something...)
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@radgeRayden all of the "common" alternatives are protocol based too (matrix, xmpp). My impression is that it's mostly nostalgia. @mcc
@radgeRayden @pitbuster an interesting unique thing about IRC is you can participate in it with "no client", just a telnet program. Of course, good luck finding one of those.
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@mcc @vampiress who the heck had a laptop in 1998?
(I know they technically existed long before but I’m pretty sure they were only for rich ̶w̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶ business people back then)
@vampiress @itgrrl that's why it was a good product fti for 1998.
However in 1999…
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@mcc IRC feels like it was great when people had only fixed devices. but uh...... no push notifs, no file upload support integrated, no integrated media, no reacts....
@freya irccloud adds a lot! If we're all going to become dependent on irccloud we can become dependent on mattermost or something
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It's a great product fit for 1998 but it is not 1998
@mcc gosh I wish it was ... Can't we you know pretend it's 1998 for a while? Who wants 2026 anyways?
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@freya irccloud adds a lot! If we're all going to become dependent on irccloud we can become dependent on mattermost or something
@mcc now we just need clients that aren't trashfires and have work accessibillity. and I mean working as in continues to work, not "we added basic accessibility and then rewrote the client with a new UI framework 3 months later because for some unknown fucking reason our app now needs GPU acceleration"
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@EndlessMason @mcc I'll take precisely zero lol. I like push, it's great when you're blind, so you know you've got messages when you're in another window
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc
I agree with you, but I'm still going to set up my own IRC when I finally get things set up to stream movies. Because I miss this very experience of my old MST3K group. Nostalgia is bad for me, I know this. -
@EndlessMason @mcc I get a ding, and it reads it inj a 'polite' mode, where it finishes reading the sentence it's reading, goes "new notification from discord, #general,tetraspace, <name>, <message>"
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@mcc Thank you for saying this.
People complain about various aspects of, say, the usability gap between Mastodon / The Fediverse and what Twitter used to be, and they raise a variety of good points, but on every one of those axes the gap between Discord/Slack and IRC absolutely dwarfs them.
I get that it's beloved of a vocal minority, but they are largely people whose lives have literally grown around IRC! Ivy asking sun-starved ground-cover to just climb a tree already.
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@EndlessMason @mcc I get a ding, and it reads it inj a 'polite' mode, where it finishes reading the sentence it's reading, goes "new notification from discord, #general,tetraspace, <name>, <message>"
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@EndlessMason @mcc screenreaders are nice about it
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@mcc until they shut off the bridge, matrix.org was the best IRC bouncer I'd ever used
@thatsten@hachyderm.io @mcc@mastodon.social that bridge was horrible, it was frequently getting messages delayed and out-of-order (and if you weren't careful about it, long messages and edits could be really annoying for IRC users)
also it had several security vulnerabilities discovered at various points and IIRC it didn't handle quiets
... so whatever other IRC bouncers you've used must've been really terrible
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