IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
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@vampiress You know what I like, is being able to close my laptop lid without leaving the conversation
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc I think there are some _characteristics_ about IRC that are definitely desirable (being based on a protocol, not tied to a specific service etc) and that's probably what people think when they think they want IRC
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It's a great product fit for 1998 but it is not 1998
"Just set up a bounce server" If I'm going to the bother how about I set up a fucking Conduwuit instance
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"Just set up a bounce server" If I'm going to the bother how about I set up a fucking Conduwuit instance
@mcc until they shut off the bridge, matrix.org was the best IRC bouncer I'd ever used
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"Just set up a bounce server" If I'm going to the bother how about I set up a fucking Conduwuit instance
@mcc is this not more a funding/organization problem than a technical one?
I use IRCCloud and it has a pretty nice interface and always online, but it’s not free. There are self hosted options, but somebody somewhere has to operate and pay for it, so I guess the question is like all online services, who is operating and who is paying?
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc point: fediverse idle rpg
counterpoint: the need for an idle rpg
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc Discord/Slack/etc proves that people want IRC, but only if there's a lot of other stuff bolted on to make it pop.
Plain-IRC is a milkshake which will bring precisely zero boys to the yard in this, the Year of our Glorb Twenty Twenty Whatever.
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc Thank you for saying this.
People complain about various aspects of, say, the usability gap between Mastodon / The Fediverse and what Twitter used to be, and they raise a variety of good points, but on every one of those axes the gap between Discord/Slack and IRC absolutely dwarfs them.
I get that it's beloved of a vocal minority, but they are largely people whose lives have literally grown around IRC! Ivy asking sun-starved ground-cover to just climb a tree already.
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc as a long-time IRC user I endorse this take
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@mcc I think there are some _characteristics_ about IRC that are definitely desirable (being based on a protocol, not tied to a specific service etc) and that's probably what people think when they think they want IRC
@radgeRayden all of the "common" alternatives are protocol based too (matrix, xmpp). My impression is that it's mostly nostalgia. @mcc
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@vampiress You know what I like, is being able to close my laptop lid without leaving the conversation
@mcc @vampiress who the heck had a laptop in 1998?
(I know they technically existed long before but I’m pretty sure they were only for rich ̶w̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶ business people back then)
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc
I think IRC is good for a very specific style of ephemeral communication, but certainly not as a Discord replacement: that's closer to a web forum (although not as good as a web forum a lot of the time for text communication) combined with a videoconferencing utility... -
@mcc as a long-time IRC user I endorse this take
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@mcc honestly I think 1998 could have done better
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc @mayintoronto All systems are great until you add people.
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc so mean...
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
@mcc IRC feels like it was great when people had only fixed devices. but uh...... no push notifs, no file upload support integrated, no integrated media, no reacts....
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IRC is bad, and the reason every time a new chat service collapses people seem to go "literally everywhere except IRC" is that "literally anything except IRC" is what people want
I don't know, I really miss IRC. I would go back to it in a heartbeat.
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@mcc IRC feels like it was great when people had only fixed devices. but uh...... no push notifs, no file upload support integrated, no integrated media, no reacts....
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"Just set up a bounce server" If I'm going to the bother how about I set up a fucking Conduwuit instance
@mcc oh why
