This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress.
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@InsurgoFormica @mcnado Americans in the Fediverse «yes please»
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@mcnado @pojntfx Well. From Iranian perspective I think it feels a bit different. Previously only people were getting hurt by “diplomatic measures” like sanctions while the regime was becoming more and more emboldened. So yes. Assassination. But also putting innocent civilians that never had a choice in any of this into poverty and exclusion and claiming that it is for them, is also an action. (1/2)
For me it is worrying where the help came from but it is also very clear that this was one of the best helps we ever got from other countries. (2/2)
P.S. of course I acknowledge that this was a clear failure of checks for American people and probably a distraction from what is going on with US and Epstein at the moment. -
This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.
@mcnado @pojntfx Well. From Iranian perspective I think it feels a bit different. Previously only people were getting hurt by “diplomatic measures” like sanctions while the regime was becoming more and more emboldened. So yes. Assassination. But also putting innocent civilians that never had a choice in any of this into poverty and exclusion and claiming that it is for them, is also an action. (1/2)
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This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.
@mcnado
Yes. Because it feels good to hear Iranian people cheering from apartment buildings and see them celebrating in the streets BUT the US taking unilateral action against the leader of a sovereign nation is not going to end well. It cannot be up to one nation to decide who is good an evil... I wonder why they didn't just fund a revolution/coup like they usually do - much more subtle and subject to less scrutiny and outrage. -
You probably do not want a single man with uncheck war powers. Especially when that man is 80 years old and throws tantrums.
A lot of American think this is a victory, but remember real change of regime requires people within that country to make that change.
In a few years when the military moves out, it'll just collapse back into a rogue state just like Afghanistan all over again. -
@Sunny @mcnado Saddam Hussein conducted genocide.
> It is estimated that in 1988 alone, 182,000 Kurds were disappeared and are feared were summarily executed as a result of the Anfal genocide. 90% of the total number of Kurdish villages and more than 20 small towns and cities were completely destroyed as a direct consequence of Anfal.
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@mativity
I'll bite the bait: saying that something's wrong does not imply that the opposite* is right.
The above does not imply a binary dilemma.You've filed in a rhetorical blank left by the OP.
Asking about that blank is valid.
Filling that blank yourself and pivoting is less so.Even so the binary dilemma presented isn't about equal choices viewed trough different lenses: ethical, moral, law, etc. (And that isn't even going down the path of objective morality not existing.)
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@Sunny @mcnado Saddam Hussein conducted genocide.
> It is estimated that in 1988 alone, 182,000 Kurds were disappeared and are feared were summarily executed as a result of the Anfal genocide. 90% of the total number of Kurdish villages and more than 20 small towns and cities were completely destroyed as a direct consequence of Anfal.
@Sunny @mcnado and if WMDs is more your thing, have a read of https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/studies-in-intelligence/volume-48-no-4/the-bomb-in-my-garden-the-secrets-of-saddams-nuclear-mastermind/
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@GreenSkyOverMe @bweller @mativity @mcnado The US can barely follow its own laws these days, let alone international agreements which they hiatorically only remember qhen its convenient.
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dear McNadoMD,
as the elected leader of the tankie alliance on the fediverse, it is my duty to inform you that we must kneejerk defend the govt of iran, despite the govt of iran being used toilet paper
your talk of nuance is horrifying
everything is black and white, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, you're either with us or against us, tribalism uber alles, blah blah blah
oppose the govt of iran *and* the govt of the usa... at the same time?! wtf?
thank you for your time
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This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.
@mcnado Oh absolutely — imagine that. Adults capable of holding two thoughts at once. Wild concept.
You can think Khomeini was a terrible human being and still believe a U.S. president shouldn’t unilaterally assassinate foreign leaders without congressional authorization. That’s not hypocrisy — that’s understanding that moral judgment and constitutional limits are two different conversations.
It’s almost like complex geopolitical issues require… complexity. Shocking, I know. -
This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.
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@InsurgoFormica @mcnado Also, if they kill you leader AND in the process they kill a thousand people around Washington,is that ok?
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@bencourtice @InsurgoFormica @mcnado I am in no way defending Trump, but Putin is better equivalent.
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This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.
@mcnado
Not even with authorization from a different or same country of the victim. -
This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.
@mcnado Im trying to see it from another view, how would the world take it if we sent bunker buster on other leaders? Putin? White house? Should all countries be allowed this without a higher organisation (UN?) authorizes this?
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