The Supreme Court has just turned down a petition to hear an appeal in a case that held that AI works can't be copyrighted.
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This also means that if you're a writer who likes to brainstorm with a chatbot as you develop an idea, that's fine, so long as the AI's words don't end up in the final product. Creative workers already assemble "mood boards" and clippings for inspiration - so long as these aren't incorporated into the final work, that's fine.
That's just what the Hollywood writers bargained for in their historic strike over AI.
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They retained the right to use AI *if they wanted to*, but their bosses couldn't *force* them to:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/10/01/how-the-writers-guild-sunk-ais-ship/
The Writers Guild were able to bargain with the heavily concentrated studios because they are organized in a union. Not just any union, either: the Writers Guild (along with the other Hollywood unions) are able to undertake "sectoral bargaining" - that's when a union can negotiate a contract with *all* the employers in a sector at once.
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They retained the right to use AI *if they wanted to*, but their bosses couldn't *force* them to:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/10/01/how-the-writers-guild-sunk-ais-ship/
The Writers Guild were able to bargain with the heavily concentrated studios because they are organized in a union. Not just any union, either: the Writers Guild (along with the other Hollywood unions) are able to undertake "sectoral bargaining" - that's when a union can negotiate a contract with *all* the employers in a sector at once.
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Sectoral bargaining was once the standard for labor relations, but it was outlawed in the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act, which clawed back many of the important labor rights established with the New Deal's National Labor Relations Act. To get Taft-Hartley through Congress, its authors had to compromise by grandfathering in the powerful Hollywood unions, who retained their right to sectoral bargaining. More 75 years later, the sectoral bargaining right *still* protects those workers.
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Sectoral bargaining was once the standard for labor relations, but it was outlawed in the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act, which clawed back many of the important labor rights established with the New Deal's National Labor Relations Act. To get Taft-Hartley through Congress, its authors had to compromise by grandfathering in the powerful Hollywood unions, who retained their right to sectoral bargaining. More 75 years later, the sectoral bargaining right *still* protects those workers.
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Our bosses tell us that we should side with them in demanding a new law: a copyright law that covers training an AI model. The mere fact that our bosses want this should set off alarm bells. Just because we're on their side, it doesn't mean they're on our side. They are *not*.
If we're going to use our muscle to fight for a new law, let it be a sectoral bargaining law - one that covers *all* workers. Y
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Our bosses tell us that we should side with them in demanding a new law: a copyright law that covers training an AI model. The mere fact that our bosses want this should set off alarm bells. Just because we're on their side, it doesn't mean they're on our side. They are *not*.
If we're going to use our muscle to fight for a new law, let it be a sectoral bargaining law - one that covers *all* workers. Y
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ou can tell that this would be good for us because our bosses would *hate* it, and every other worker in America would *love* it. The Writers Guild used sectoral bargaining to achieve something that 40 years of copyright expansion failed at: it made creative workers *richer*, rather than giving us another way to be angry about how our work is being used.
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ou can tell that this would be good for us because our bosses would *hate* it, and every other worker in America would *love* it. The Writers Guild used sectoral bargaining to achieve something that 40 years of copyright expansion failed at: it made creative workers *richer*, rather than giving us another way to be angry about how our work is being used.
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At the core of the dispute is a bedrock of copyright law: that copyright is for humans, and humans alone. In legal/technical terms, "copyright inheres at the moment of fixation of a work of human creativity." Most people - even people who work with copyright every day - have not heard it put in those terms. Nevertheless, it is the foundation of international copyright law, and copyright in the USA.
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@pluralistic I had a thought, which is kind-of tangential to this thread, that it is *very* weird that we all automatically assume the rights granted by free software licenses should be granted to non-humans: https://mastodon.xyz/@brunopostle/115552718550139735
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This is one of the rare instances in which a bad case made *good* law. Thaler's case wasn't even close - it was an absolute loser from the jump. Normally, plaintiffs give up after being shot down by an agency like the Copyright Office or by a lower court. But not Thaler - he stuck with it all the way to the highest court in the land, bringing clarity to an issue that might have otherwise remained blurry and ill-defined for years.
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That's because bad cases don't necessarily make bad law; as you said before, it's *hard* cases that make bad law. And this case was easy!
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@pluralistic I had a thought, which is kind-of tangential to this thread, that it is *very* weird that we all automatically assume the rights granted by free software licenses should be granted to non-humans: https://mastodon.xyz/@brunopostle/115552718550139735
@brunopostle @pluralistic show me a person who is neither a corporation nor a human. In my worthless opinion, the laws should say person in many places. Then we can get corporations recognized as not people.
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@brunopostle @pluralistic show me a person who is neither a corporation nor a human. In my worthless opinion, the laws should say person in many places. Then we can get corporations recognized as not people.
@jamesb192 @pluralistic A 'people-only' free software license, that didn't extend rights to corporations or bots, would meet the Open Source definition
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Finally, there's c): copyright is for *tangible* things, not intangibles. Part of the reason choreographers created a notation system for dance moves is that the moves themselves aren't copyrightable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_notation
The non-copyrightability of movement is (partly) why the noted sex-pest and millionaire grifter Bikram Choudhury was blocked from claiming copyright on ancient yoga poses (the other reason is that they are ancient!):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_claims_on_Bikram_Yoga
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So now I'm interested to know whether different people own the copyrights to the ballet Swan Lake when notated in Labano and in Benesh. -
The Supreme Court has just turned down a petition to hear an appeal in a case that held that AI works can't be copyrighted. By turning down the appeal, the Supreme Court took a massively consequential step to protect creative workers' interests:
https://www.theverge.com/policy/887678/supreme-court-ai-art-copyright
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If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:
https://pluralistic.net/2026/03/03/its-a-trap/#inheres-at-the-moment-of-fixation
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Very interesting read, this article explaining why AI works cannot get a copyright.
With several examples of interesting and sometimes funny rulings in the past.
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This is wonderful news for creative workers. It means that our bosses must pay humans to do work if they want to be granted copyright on the things they want to sell.
