hm https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app/blob/main/CLAUDE.md
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I mean when I check my feed much of the Bluesky eng team seems to be posting about how great Claude is all the time so I have been background wondering how common vibecoding is in that ecosystem
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I have this suspicion that the ATproto stack, at least the stuff from Bluesky, is heading towards "majority-vibecoded" but that's mostly just from seeing a lot of posts from the Bluesky eng team rather than me having spent much time in the codebase
Why is def hugely responsible for Bluesky/ATProto's design and if *he's* mostly letting Claude write 99% of his code, the rest of the eng team is likely to be heading in that direction too?
@cwebber cat can help
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Example: https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3meomclcfss2w
> Until December of last year I was using LLMs as fancy autocomplete for coding. It was nice for scaffolding out boilerplate, or giving me a gut check on some things, or banging out some boring routine stuff.
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> In the past two months Claude has written about 99% of my code. Things are changing. Fast@cwebber so that person is saying he's now developing software in English instead of Typescript and using a very expensive transpiler, right?
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@andymoose @cwebber @kkarhan@infosec.space why is also a literal neoreactionary, so fashtech keeps being up to the expected quality
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@cwebber He's the same dev who said it was impossible to prevent users from putting racial slurs in their handles.
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I have this suspicion that the ATproto stack, at least the stuff from Bluesky, is heading towards "majority-vibecoded" but that's mostly just from seeing a lot of posts from the Bluesky eng team rather than me having spent much time in the codebase
Why is def hugely responsible for Bluesky/ATProto's design and if *he's* mostly letting Claude write 99% of his code, the rest of the eng team is likely to be heading in that direction too?
@cwebber they're owned by crypto cultists, so it tracks.
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@cwebber lol this reads like kai lentit "senior engineer tries vibe coding" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2C2CNmK7dQ
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I have this suspicion that the ATproto stack, at least the stuff from Bluesky, is heading towards "majority-vibecoded" but that's mostly just from seeing a lot of posts from the Bluesky eng team rather than me having spent much time in the codebase
Why is def hugely responsible for Bluesky/ATProto's design and if *he's* mostly letting Claude write 99% of his code, the rest of the eng team is likely to be heading in that direction too?
@cwebber Over in ATProto-world, I'm not even seeing most people's profile pictures. They're just showing up as the default icon.
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@cwebber @ryanrandall My memory is that why_ said goodbye and disappeared one day and so we can’t know for sure but it’s unlikely (and if they are the same person, well, they don’t want to be connected)
@erincandescent @ryanrandall @cwebber its not the same Why. They both have photos of their real face on the internet I checked.
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I have this suspicion that the ATproto stack, at least the stuff from Bluesky, is heading towards "majority-vibecoded" but that's mostly just from seeing a lot of posts from the Bluesky eng team rather than me having spent much time in the codebase
Why is def hugely responsible for Bluesky/ATProto's design and if *he's* mostly letting Claude write 99% of his code, the rest of the eng team is likely to be heading in that direction too?
@cwebber before* any judgement on whethe it is a good thing or not, it was expected, tbh. it is very much on brand from their team.
they always had the "tech enthusiast" ethos*just before.
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@andymoose @cwebber @kkarhan@infosec.space why is also a literal neoreactionary, so fashtech keeps being up to the expected quality
@davidgerard @andymoose @cwebber it's always a reasonably safe bet to assume that outspoken LLM proponents have some fash tendencies, even the ones that pretend to be lefties
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@cwebber wait wait, the stylng system is called
ALF?Is that because of the legendary Alf Hog Incident? It has to be, right?
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@ryanrandall https://github.com/whyrusleeping
pretty sure not the Ruby "Why" but I don't know for sure
@cwebber @ryanrandall Nah, definitely a different Why - you can find the Ruby Why's real name and the Bluesky Why's name also appears from time to time and it's not the same name
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I have this suspicion that the ATproto stack, at least the stuff from Bluesky, is heading towards "majority-vibecoded" but that's mostly just from seeing a lot of posts from the Bluesky eng team rather than me having spent much time in the codebase
Why is def hugely responsible for Bluesky/ATProto's design and if *he's* mostly letting Claude write 99% of his code, the rest of the eng team is likely to be heading in that direction too?
@cwebber I'm hanging out there a lot and yes there is a lot of vibecoding. However, they don't seem to vibecode more than the average paid software dev.
In 2024, I'd say about 20% of my friends vibecoded. Today the number looks more like 90%. This is not specific to atproto, my understanding is that most people vibecode nowadays.
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Example: https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3meomclcfss2w
> Until December of last year I was using LLMs as fancy autocomplete for coding. It was nice for scaffolding out boilerplate, or giving me a gut check on some things, or banging out some boring routine stuff.
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> In the past two months Claude has written about 99% of my code. Things are changing. Fast@cwebber things sure are changing fast. code quality for example. and the ability of developers to write or recognize good code. now the direction of change isn't great, but...
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@cwebber I'm hanging out there a lot and yes there is a lot of vibecoding. However, they don't seem to vibecode more than the average paid software dev.
In 2024, I'd say about 20% of my friends vibecoded. Today the number looks more like 90%. This is not specific to atproto, my understanding is that most people vibecode nowadays.
@res260 Sadly a likely observation
![😕](https://board.circlewithadot.net/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f615.png?v=28325c671da ":\")
So many people just giving up on their craft.
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@andymoose @cwebber @kkarhan it's like they didn't even like programming at all.
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@andymoose @cwebber @kkarhan it's like they didn't even like programming at all.
@tootbrute @andymoose @cwebber at least the white #Neurotypical heterocisbinary men are...
- You know, the #McAfee - kind that only do #IT because they 'failed to the top'.
- Like a shitty parody of "Bighead" from #SiliconValley...
- You know, the #McAfee - kind that only do #IT because they 'failed to the top'.
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@andymoose @cwebber @kkarhan I have an entire graveyard of people who are dead to me now because of this. It's unfortunate. I've lost so much respect for so many people.
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@res260 Sadly a likely observation
So many people just giving up on their craft.
@cwebber @res260 I feel like there's always been a lot of software development that isn't craft but it's just shuffling bits around.
I don't really know how to feel about a lot of it these days. I've played around with some of the tools for work and there's certainly a lot of areas where they can write basically the same code that I would have done with less tedium, and by some metrics they do a better job (mostly things that are good practice but I couldn't be bothered).
Is that abandoning craft or careful allocation of executive function? I don't know.
I definitely think these things aren't going away. The bubble will pop, it'll maybe kill the big AI companies, people will stop shoving chat bots everywhere, but I don't see any way that LLMs don't remain a fact of life, and I don't know what the long term implications are of this
