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Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals.

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  • sraars@hippodon.comS sraars@hippodon.com

    @pseudonym @nixCraft I would just look at any other Ponzi scheme.

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    @sraars @nixCraft

    Not exactly.

    Ponzi needs new suckers to buy out the previous generation. There is still a "holding the bag" when it stops problem.

    But this one is circular. The same parties keep playing, due to the way the funds are accounted for.

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

      Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

      If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

      #ai

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      #10

      @nixCraft Give me a 24 hour notice please! 😎

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      • A adam@fedi.adamm.cc

        @nixCraft You're not wrong buddy. All economic data of situations that have developed like this points to an inevitable crash. Right now, its in the crackle phase. Things will then begin to snap, and then things will pop. Just like Rice Crispies, although, not exactly in the same order as Rice Crispies, LOL. The key is to be smart by diversifying, and remaining calm. Its the panic buying and firesales that bring down economies.

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        #11

        @adam @nixCraft Or a rubber band toy plane overwound.

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        • pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP pseudonym@mastodon.online

          @sraars @nixCraft

          Not exactly.

          Ponzi needs new suckers to buy out the previous generation. There is still a "holding the bag" when it stops problem.

          But this one is circular. The same parties keep playing, due to the way the funds are accounted for.

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          @pseudonym @sraars @nixCraft more like a combination of game of chairs and Russian roulette. Pass the grenade?

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          • pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP pseudonym@mastodon.online

            @nixCraft

            Multi billion dollar game of "hot potato" or musical chairs.

            Who is holding the debt when the music stops and they can't pass it on?

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            @pseudonym @nixCraft Big banks will get bailed out (too big to fail), while all of us with our retirement in 401k/small investments will get shafted per usual.

            Lather, rinse, repeat.

            America!

            😐

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

              Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

              If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

              #ai

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              #14

              @nixCraft “If”? 🤔 More like *when* it snaps.

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              • pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP pseudonym@mastodon.online

                @nixCraft

                Multi billion dollar game of "hot potato" or musical chairs.

                Who is holding the debt when the music stops and they can't pass it on?

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                @pseudonym @nixCraft oh don't worry, it's gonna be the CEOs and people who cooked it all up, I'm sure. No way that the general public is going to bail them out.

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                  Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                  If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                  #ai

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                  @nixCraft oh, no worries, 2026 also has its own version of subprime loans, they're just called private credit now, but it's the same thing.

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    it is going to snap one way or other. that is all i'm saying.

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                    #17

                    @nixCraft they can only give away free hardware for so long

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                      Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                      If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                      #ai

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                      @nixCraft
                      I call it the circlejerk economy

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                        Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                        If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                        #ai

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                        @nixCraft what's gonna snap tho? The difference is that most AI spend right now comes from piles of cash big tech has, not debt.

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                          Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                          If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                          #ai

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                          @nixCraft * when

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                            Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                            If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                            #ai

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                            @nixCraft

                            Illustrated at
                            https://bsky.app/profile/anthonycr.bsky.social/post/3lzj5pbfxxc2g?ref=wheresyoured.at
                            and discussed in more detail at
                            https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-case-against-generative-ai/#here’s-a-diagram-of-how-unbelievably-circular-all-the-money-in-ai-compute-has-become

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                            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                              Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                              Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                              If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                              #ai

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                              @nixCraft Sometimes called “cheque kiting”. Write a cheque on Bank A, payable to your business. Deposit in Bank B. Next day, before the cheque has cleared inter-bank processing, write a cheque on Bank B for a like amount, deposit it in Bank C. Repeat with a cheque from Bank C to Bank A. Make the shuffle longer, you may be able to withdraw cash or pay third parties with funds that don’t exist. When a Bank finally catches on, apologize and say you will look into it.

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                                Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                                If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                                #ai

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                                @nixCraft love to read more about that 600 billion number you shared!

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                                  Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                                  If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                                  #ai

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                                  @nixCraft
                                  It's all explained quite simply here:

                                  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pB7faDHkHJI

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                                  • glc@mastodon.onlineG glc@mastodon.online

                                    @nixCraft

                                    Illustrated at
                                    https://bsky.app/profile/anthonycr.bsky.social/post/3lzj5pbfxxc2g?ref=wheresyoured.at
                                    and discussed in more detail at
                                    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-case-against-generative-ai/#here’s-a-diagram-of-how-unbelievably-circular-all-the-money-in-ai-compute-has-become

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                                    @glc @nixCraft No need to complicate this.

                                    (source unknown to me)

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                                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                      Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                                      Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                                      If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                                      #ai

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                                      @nixCraft this is now widely known for at least three months now? Where is the crash? There will be no crash until enough of "normal" peoples money is invested in it. If one man, fElon can keep the Tesla scam going for now over a decade, bunch of blue chip companies - it is not just two mentioned playing this game, along with vcs - will easily keep this charade until they want it to end.

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                                        Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                                        If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                                        #ai

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                                        @nixCraft

                                        As long as we don't bail them out with tax dollars...we aren't going to bail them out....right?

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          Just like 2008 had "Subprime Mortgages (or "Dot Com" crash) that nobody understood, 2026 has "Circular AI Revenue" deals. Ex: Microsoft gives money to OpenAI, who gives it back to Microsoft for Azure credits, which Microsoft then reports as "AI Growth".

                                          Microsoft and Nvidia fund AI startups that buy their own tech back to report "growth." With $600b burning in data centers in 2026 alone but no real revenue to back it up.

                                          If that loop snaps, the "fuck up" will be massive.

                                          #ai

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                                          @nixCraft not if, when.

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