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You might wonder how it is the FCC regulates Internet routers.

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  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

    RE: https://infosec.exchange/@briankrebs/116280575943263005

    You might wonder how it is the FCC regulates Internet routers. It's complicated.

    First, FCC certification has long been required for virtually all microprocessor-equipped electronics, to ensure compliance with RF emission limits.

    Then, in 2020, Congress enacted 47 USC § 1601, the "secure networks act", which requires the FCC to maintain a list of networking equipment determined to pose risks to national security: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/1601

    Equipment on the list can't receive FCC certification.

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    So the regulatory authority for the FCC here is rather indirect, kind of a backdoor.

    They don't regulate the Internet Protocols or Internet security per se, but they do regulate most of the *equipment* that the Internet runs on (because almost everything uses RF-emitting processors that require FCC certification).

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    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

      So the regulatory authority for the FCC here is rather indirect, kind of a backdoor.

      They don't regulate the Internet Protocols or Internet security per se, but they do regulate most of the *equipment* that the Internet runs on (because almost everything uses RF-emitting processors that require FCC certification).

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      What the FCC has done here is added *all* foreign made consumer routers (that is, all consumer routers) to the "covered list" of national-security-threatening network gear, unless an exemption is obtained. See https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-278A1.pdf

      Weirdly, they cite incidents like Salt Typhoon, which compromised carrier-grade equipment, not, as far as I know, consumer routers.

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      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

        What the FCC has done here is added *all* foreign made consumer routers (that is, all consumer routers) to the "covered list" of national-security-threatening network gear, unless an exemption is obtained. See https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-278A1.pdf

        Weirdly, they cite incidents like Salt Typhoon, which compromised carrier-grade equipment, not, as far as I know, consumer routers.

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        There will undoubtably be a lot of hairsplitting over definitions here. What constitutes "foreign made"? Assembled overseas? Made of components from overseas? Running firmware written overseas? etc.

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        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

          There will undoubtably be a lot of hairsplitting over definitions here. What constitutes "foreign made"? Assembled overseas? Made of components from overseas? Running firmware written overseas? etc.

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          @mattblaze

          hell, they debated the definition of "is". tech stuff? hopeless.

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          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

            There will undoubtably be a lot of hairsplitting over definitions here. What constitutes "foreign made"? Assembled overseas? Made of components from overseas? Running firmware written overseas? etc.

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            @mattblaze

            Given this regime my guesses are "foreign made" is some combination of

            • hasn't bribed trump
            • hasn't included mandatory palantir censorship and surveillance code.
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            • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

              There will undoubtably be a lot of hairsplitting over definitions here. What constitutes "foreign made"? Assembled overseas? Made of components from overseas? Running firmware written overseas? etc.

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              @mattblaze Paid off Trump == domestic, did not pay off Trump == foreign

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              • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                There will undoubtably be a lot of hairsplitting over definitions here. What constitutes "foreign made"? Assembled overseas? Made of components from overseas? Running firmware written overseas? etc.

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                Also, this will re-ignite the long standing debate over how to pronounce the word "router".

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                • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                  Also, this will re-ignite the long standing debate over how to pronounce the word "router".

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                  @mattblaze it rhymes with "scone".

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                  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                    Also, this will re-ignite the long standing debate over how to pronounce the word "router".

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                    @mattblaze I mean, isn't it just like "route" but with the r at the end? 😁

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                    • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                      @mattblaze I mean, isn't it just like "route" but with the r at the end? 😁

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                      @eltonfc It's pronounced like "gif".

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                      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                        What the FCC has done here is added *all* foreign made consumer routers (that is, all consumer routers) to the "covered list" of national-security-threatening network gear, unless an exemption is obtained. See https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-278A1.pdf

                        Weirdly, they cite incidents like Salt Typhoon, which compromised carrier-grade equipment, not, as far as I know, consumer routers.

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                        @mattblaze And John Chambers of Cisco Proudly Declared that the corp was going to support the fed with Carnivore and the Patriot Act way back in... whenever.

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                        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                          RE: https://infosec.exchange/@briankrebs/116280575943263005

                          You might wonder how it is the FCC regulates Internet routers. It's complicated.

                          First, FCC certification has long been required for virtually all microprocessor-equipped electronics, to ensure compliance with RF emission limits.

                          Then, in 2020, Congress enacted 47 USC § 1601, the "secure networks act", which requires the FCC to maintain a list of networking equipment determined to pose risks to national security: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/1601

                          Equipment on the list can't receive FCC certification.

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                          @mattblaze I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the technical settings underlying the finding. It's the first step towards controlling the domestic Internet. They were going to find a reason.

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                          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                            What the FCC has done here is added *all* foreign made consumer routers (that is, all consumer routers) to the "covered list" of national-security-threatening network gear, unless an exemption is obtained. See https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-278A1.pdf

                            Weirdly, they cite incidents like Salt Typhoon, which compromised carrier-grade equipment, not, as far as I know, consumer routers.

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                            @mattblaze
                            After dismantling the task force investigating Salt Typhoon.

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                            • pizzademon@mastodon.onlineP pizzademon@mastodon.online

                              @mattblaze I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the technical settings underlying the finding. It's the first step towards controlling the domestic Internet. They were going to find a reason.

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                              @PizzaDemon I'm trying to explain the mechanisms at work here. If you don't find that of interest, no problem, but perhaps others will.

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                              • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                                @mattblaze I mean, isn't it just like "route" but with the r at the end? 😁

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                                @eltonfc @mattblaze Ask an Australian to pronounce "router," or "route," and get back to us. 👀

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                                • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                                  There will undoubtably be a lot of hairsplitting over definitions here. What constitutes "foreign made"? Assembled overseas? Made of components from overseas? Running firmware written overseas? etc.

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                                  @mattblaze
                                  Could Champagne rules apply? (ie, "it's only a 'router' if it's manufactured in the US; otherwise, it's just a 'sparkling network appliance'")

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                                  • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                                    @eltonfc @mattblaze Ask an Australian to pronounce "router," or "route," and get back to us. 👀

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                                    @jima are we talking about networking, traffic or woodworking?

                                    @mattblaze

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                                    • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                                      @jima are we talking about networking, traffic or woodworking?

                                      @mattblaze

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                                      @eltonfc @mattblaze Yes.

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