Much damage has been done to our societies and the #climate due to #fossilFuels
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And vote out the ones who shilling for the oil/gas companies. They are so desperate to the rig the system - they are trying to pass a bill that will almost make them immune from litigation.
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@mls14 I made the calculation to buy EV in 2017 based on a diesel price of €1,14, as economical viable. At current prices of double that value, people still argue electric is too expensive… It looks like only the Chinese have understood electrification.
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@benroyce
Oops...Sorry about the mix up. I think that was meant for another post. I can only blame it on my poor cognition or my fat fingers hitting the wrong keys. lol.@TJC_2 been there, done that!
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@alexlubertozzi @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB
'23 Chevy Bolt. Exactly the same. We love it.
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Much damage has been done to our societies and the #climate due to #fossilFuels
The alternative was always there, but it was systematically destroyed
Appreciate the irony though:
Big Oil's decline has been ensured by their greatest triumph, #Trump
The stupid war on #Iran means every country will move off #oil
#China's #EV makers are kings of the world now
"‘The damage is done’: global oil crisis has changed fossil fuel industry for ever, #IEA chief says"
‘The damage is done’: global oil crisis has changed fossil fuel industry for ever, IEA chief says
Exclusive: International Energy Agency’s Fatih Birol, the world’s leading energy economist, also says UK should largely forgo North Sea expansion
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
@benroyce So Trump IS playing 11-dimensional chess and wants to promote renewables.
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R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
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@alexlubertozzi @SteveJB @benroyce @mls14
Indeed need cheaper options.Been interested in going electric since pre-tesla. So far, haven’t seen one yet that I can afford, and also met my needs at the time. Since Covid, have been WFH 100%, & I don’t tow anymore, so I’m hoping to get something 10 years old. My current truck is ‘07. I doubt there’s many 19-yr-old EVs available & viable, but maybe.
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in the #USA, all we can do is cry:
"#China car giant #BYD says it can thrive without #US"
China car giant BYD says it can thrive without access to US market
With the price of fuel rising China's BYD says it is positioning itself to benefit from the global shift away from fossil fuels.
(www.bbc.com)
the rest of the world?
a massive #EV push through the roof
in #Australia BYD recently dumped a bunch of EVs to benefit from subsidies that were running out. but they were worried they'd have to sit on a massive stockpile of #cars that would go unsold for a long time
nope
the stupid #IranWar hit and sales shot to the moon in Australia, with a massive waiting list
@benroyce @SteveJB I love the idea of cheaper EVs being available. I can't afford one yet, but I'm very likely never going to buy another internal combustion car. My next purchase will be an EV.
It'd be nice if we saw more light pick-ups and six-passenger (minivan) EVs, as that's what we need to replace here.
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@TJC_2 been there, done that!
@benroyce I think figured out what I did...The picture in one of your boosted posts has a very small bottom piece of text promoting green energy solutions; one mentioned is nuclear power, which I still believe is a bad deal for all. Anyway, sorry for the forgettable obscure posting by me.
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@benroyce @SteveJB I love the idea of cheaper EVs being available. I can't afford one yet, but I'm very likely never going to buy another internal combustion car. My next purchase will be an EV.
It'd be nice if we saw more light pick-ups and six-passenger (minivan) EVs, as that's what we need to replace here.
@benroyce @mason @SteveJB Would be nice if conversion kits for existing cars would become more common, too. It'd be a way to get an EV without the mandated government surveillance.
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@cejjacobs @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB Being in a rural location with two children who go in different directions to their parents in the morning we need two cars.
Buying new, in order to finance one EV with decent range for long distance fully laden summer holidays and one EV with sufficient range for local driving would cost us over NOK 15,000 a month in loans (estimated car prices NOK 450,000 and NOK 340,000).
Our current total fossil fuel costs are max NOK 4000 a month.
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@benroyce @mason @SteveJB Would be nice if conversion kits for existing cars would become more common, too. It'd be a way to get an EV without the mandated government surveillance.
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@cejjacobs @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB Being in a rural location with two children who go in different directions to their parents in the morning we need two cars.
Buying new, in order to finance one EV with decent range for long distance fully laden summer holidays and one EV with sufficient range for local driving would cost us over NOK 15,000 a month in loans (estimated car prices NOK 450,000 and NOK 340,000).
Our current total fossil fuel costs are max NOK 4000 a month.
1 EUR = 11 NOK.@cejjacobs @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB I do most of the servicing and repairs on our 20 year old Corollas.
The three cars bought in the last 8 years (one daily driver each and one back up car when another one needs fixing) cost in total around 5 months of the aforementioned loan repayment costs. We only spend what we can afford to lose.
Note 1 there is no guarantee that on our income levels we would qualify for 100% loans to buy cars.
Note 2 that is NOK 15000 a month for 5 years.
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@cejjacobs @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB Being in a rural location with two children who go in different directions to their parents in the morning we need two cars.
Buying new, in order to finance one EV with decent range for long distance fully laden summer holidays and one EV with sufficient range for local driving would cost us over NOK 15,000 a month in loans (estimated car prices NOK 450,000 and NOK 340,000).
Our current total fossil fuel costs are max NOK 4000 a month.
1 EUR = 11 NOK.@the_wub most people don’t do their own maintenance, so only calculating fuel makes a very different one. But to amuse you: for 4000NOK, you probably buy 200l fuel, getting you some 4000km each month. In electricity, you’d need 600kWh, costing 300NOK (Norgespris). Less if you have your own production. Used electric cars are not as steep as you suggest.
But I don’t think any of this will convince you to change cars soon
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@alexlubertozzi @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB
Here's why I will never buy a car made after the early 2010s:
‘Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla — Including Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota — Flunks Privacy Test
Mozilla’s latest edition of *Privacy Not Included reveals how 25 major car brands collect and share deeply personal data, including sexual activity, facial expressions, and genetic and health information.
Mozilla Foundation (www.mozillafoundation.org)
"According to Mozilla research, popular global brands — including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, Kia, and Subaru — can collect deeply personal data such as sexual activity, immigration status, race, facial expressions, weight, health and genetic information, and where you drive. Researchers found data is being gathered by sensors, microphones, cameras, and the phones and devices drivers connect to their cars, as well as by car apps, company websites, dealerships, and vehicle telematics. Brands can then share or sell this data to third parties."
“Many people think of their car as a private space — somewhere to call your doctor, have a personal conversation with your kid on the way to school, cry your eyes out over a break-up, or drive places you might not want the world to know about. But that perception no longer matches reality. All new cars today are privacy nightmares on wheels that collect huge amounts of personal information."
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Besides, my 15 year old car is absolutely fine. It will probably be fine for another 30 years. I'd much rather convert it to electric than have it end up in a scrapyard.
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@svavar agreed
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@cejjacobs @mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB the Chinese don't have an oil lobby actively spreading disinformation on EVs, or pressuring governments as in the EU or UK (in the US they are of course the government).
