Here's why I will never buy a car made after the early 2010s:

‘Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla — Including Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota — Flunks Privacy Test

Mozilla’s latest edition of *Privacy Not Included reveals how 25 major car brands collect and share deeply personal data, including sexual activity, facial expressions, and genetic and health information.

Mozilla Foundation (www.mozillafoundation.org)

"According to Mozilla research, popular global brands — including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, Kia, and Subaru — can collect deeply personal data such as sexual activity, immigration status, race, facial expressions, weight, health and genetic information, and where you drive. Researchers found data is being gathered by sensors, microphones, cameras, and the phones and devices drivers connect to their cars, as well as by car apps, company websites, dealerships, and vehicle telematics. Brands can then share or sell this data to third parties."

“Many people think of their car as a private space — somewhere to call your doctor, have a personal conversation with your kid on the way to school, cry your eyes out over a break-up, or drive places you might not want the world to know about. But that perception no longer matches reality. All new cars today are privacy nightmares on wheels that collect huge amounts of personal information."

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Besides, my 15 year old car is absolutely fine. It will probably be fine for another 30 years. I'd much rather convert it to electric than have it end up in a scrapyard.

But I don’t think any of this will convince you to change cars soon

@mls14 @benroyce @SteveJB

The three cars bought in the last 8 years (one daily driver each and one back up car when another one needs fixing) cost in total around 5 months of the aforementioned loan repayment costs. We only spend what we can afford to lose.

Note 1 there is no guarantee that on our income levels we would qualify for 100% loans to buy cars.

Note 2 that is NOK 15000 a month for 5 years.

Buying new, in order to finance one EV with decent range for long distance fully laden summer holidays and one EV with sufficient range for local driving would cost us over NOK 15,000 a month in loans (estimated car prices NOK 450,000 and NOK 340,000).

Our current total fossil fuel costs are max NOK 4000 a month.

1 EUR = 11 NOK.

It'd be nice if we saw more light pick-ups and six-passenger (minivan) EVs, as that's what we need to replace here.

Been interested in going electric since pre-tesla. So far, haven’t seen one yet that I can afford, and also met my needs at the time. Since Covid, have been WFH 100%, & I don’t tow anymore, so I’m hoping to get something 10 years old. My current truck is ‘07. I doubt there’s many 19-yr-old EVs available & viable, but maybe.

'23 Chevy Bolt. Exactly the same. We love it.

@benroyce @SteveJB

And vote out the ones who shilling for the oil/gas companies. They are so desperate to the rig the system - they are trying to pass a bill that will almost make them immune from litigation.

Really hate that part - considering it would have been so easy for the US to transition to solar/wind/batteries/EV. So many states are already doing that despite the insane opposition.

Doesn't matter. You're describing more power in a dying system. The world will just move on and the USA will be stuck in its own bullshit