Here's a thought experiment.

[gisgeek@floss.social]

@sjn ROTFL, if the world were in black and white, we would have lived in a perfect society for ages. Unfortunately, there is nothing that is good or bad a priori, and the future is always in the fog. If one were to base a decision on what it seems at the present time, we probably would still live in a forest. Changes are never good for all people, so the logical decision would be no changes at all.

[nephele@rollenspiel.social]

@gisgeek @sjn it tells me that you consider your profile picnot worthy of any effort.

Like my all year Christmas version of my photo tells people I'm too lazy to switch my pic accordingly.

[sjn@chaos.social]

@gisgeek Yeah, nothing's perfect, and expecting something to be so is just as naïve as huffing hopium while waiting for someone else to decide how our future turns out.

We get to ask the questions, say what is desirable and what is not, and use our influence to help steer our society in a positive direction, though political engagement, lawmaking, public discourse and consensus-building.

Yes, this isn't black or white, but simple questions can help us see if the shade of grey is dark or light.

[bigfood@social.tchncs.de]

@sjn
I'm not in to art, only listening to music.
I would notice the difference between a AI picture or a human made one, if there are no bad errors like 6 fingers on one hand.

There is a AI band, except mastering everything is done by the AI, trained by humans on contract.
The songs are good enough for me to store on my phone.

As far as I got the LLM stuff, everything depends on the prompt.

ATM LLMs are only a better search engine for me, but only used if normal search isn't getting me the results in searching for.

[wooshell@chaosfurs.social]

@sjn I don't necessarily expect lower quality, but I do at the very least know that creative rights have been violated in creating it, so I would be less inclined to buy/use it.

[buherator@infosec.place]

@sjn Assuming by AI we mean LLMs, this stamp would essentially say "no one cared to think this through".

[g_boccia@mastodon.uno]

@sjn
Even it the real quality of the product/service was the same, it generally means that it is less interesting

[reay@beige.party]

@sjn @cstross I understand some publishers are now marking AI-made books with a mention/logo(?) inside the cover.

Guess who’s got two thumbs and won’t be buying AI generated books.

[restlesshead@dice.camp]

@sjn While my assumption is that AI products will be of lower quality in some (not always obvious) fashion, I think that would not be the reason to avoid such a product.

Provenance matters! An exquisitely cut gemstone with a "blood diamond" tag on it just isn't as appealing as its quality would suggest

[cruiser@expressional.social]

@sjn you omitted the option 'completely useless if not for propaganda' here, sorry

[binford2k@hachyderm.io]

@gisgeek @sjn you’re missing the point. The question isn’t whether #AI will help generate better code or not, it’s what effect the presence of a “made with AI” badge would have on perceived quality.

Yes, a skilled programmer can absolutely use AI to generate even better code, for every one of them there are at least ninety-nine other goobers gleefully churning out slop as fast as their slop churning machine will go.

This means that when I see a “made by AI” badge, there’s a 1% chance it’s quality and 99% chance it’s slop.

[ulf@mastodon.nz]

@sjn
I’m torn, because although in general I’d assume the “made with AI” suggested lesser quality, I have seen a lot of tat made by humans where quality was not a consideration at all…

[jwo@mastodonczech.cz]

@sjn

I have chosen “LOWER”, since many products can have undisclosed or unclear additional requirements.

When it's a product that is bought/acquired/provided with expectation of further interactions with that (computer hardware, an application, both off-line and SaaS etc., etc.), then I can expect further requirements that are frequently not completely clear from the product description – such as need for powerful hardware for local processing (quite painful when the product is just SW without the HW), need to use 3rd-party data processing services or services provided by the manufacturer (may stop being provided in few months/years, privacy-related issues, …) and also many others, including increased environmental load/damage (mostly related to SaaS products, dedicated HW tends to be designed to be ± fine and efficient with this).

[hiisikoloart@writing.exchange]

@sjn
AI stamp means it was made with stolen art, excessively used resources, greed, and money of billionare facists. It is void of all meaning, effort, or human element. It is so deep below anything human made that the closest word that I can think of for that place is "abyss" and even that is too kind.

Anyone with a soul and human desency should avoid it and trash that slop the second they see it. Support human artists - always.

[cavanholi@kind.social]

@sjn heck, if the made with AI product is cheaper, I'm still getting the other one.

just like I get books from bookstore.org even when they are more expensive than amazon's

[cavanholi@kind.social]

@gisgeek @sjn mildly agree with this. though humans can make poor products, llm cannot make good ones.
so it is a choice of either 'mediocre to rubbish' from AI, or, 'good to mediocre to rubbish' from a human.

and lets not forget at the end of the day, it is a human pushing the product forward, either human or AI made, and it is a human profitting from it.

but if it is AI made, then the one profitting does not care about the wasted resourcers and possible misuse of intellectual property (...)

[cavanholi@kind.social]

@gisgeek @sjn (...) possible misuse of intellectual property.
I will not help said human profit if it is up to me.

in the end, it is not as much as 'made with AI' marks it as poor.
it is that it marks the product as Not good

[noisecolor@toot.community]

@sjn
That's a silly and pointless poll. Of course it's not the same quality. It's like asking if people think a 5k€ suit worked on by a tailor for two weeks is the same, better or worse quality than a 50€ from HM .
What do you think?

Point of automatization is producing products at speed and price for the quality that is good enough. Not quality alone.

[lapizistik@social.tchncs.de]

@sjn

This is multi-dimensional. Quality itself is not one-dimensional and “higher” quality is not the only reason to choose what to buy.

Than AI is much more than using generative LLMs. For example cancer detection with machine learning based image evaluation has very high success rates, so I would very much follow its advise (if used by a domain expert). And even generative AI used by an expert as a tool can be great. On the other hand I may want to pay an artist but not an AI company for some image of same “quality”.

And then there is: if an AI can produce it its value will not increase in time while it is from a famous artist it may (see →Benjamin, aura).

There is all the ethical aspects. And…

And this only got me started.

[michaelharley@infosec.exchange]

@sjn gosh I think there's not nearly enough nuance here and everybody is going to assume the absolute worst or best scenario in their head.

Did a developer, using Claude in their IDE, carefully guide it to build something, with attention to detail and corrections?

Or are we just talking about AI slop, where someone who doesn't really know what they're doing told Claude to build something and whatever was spit out is what they got and they had not clue or idea about development?

I think AI can make good devs better. I think lazy devs will still make shit. IMO