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has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation?

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

    has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

    or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

    like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

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    @eniko They lose the ad revenue from ads embedded in those external pages, but they gain the ad revenue from ads on google.com itself.

    They also gain the ability to have companies pay to produce desirable slop machine outputs. The possibilities are endless.

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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

      or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

      like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

      gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG This user is from outside of this forum
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      #9

      @eniko the plan is probably made by gemini for CEO that are at 80% pro-AI, while the worker are at 80% against.
      Thought bubble

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      • mkj@social.mkj.earthM mkj@social.mkj.earth

        @eniko https://matthiasott.com/notes/ad-infinitum seems relevant and has a handful of links too.

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        #10

        @mkj "Each advertiser brings their own LLM, and an auction mechanism decides whose model gets to influence the next word"

        ah yes that sounds very accessible. very low barrier to entry. you know, like buying some ad space.

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        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

          has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

          or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

          like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

          themipper@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #11

          @eniko I imagine they will keep injecting misinformation in form of ad-approved wordings for keywords. And the advertisers will need to pay for their misinformation to show up first.

          Similar to the keywords that currently plague the search results on every major platform.

          And with no traffic there will be no websites. Just those platforms like amazon, google, facebook and the like.

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          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

            has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

            or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

            like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

            maia@mastodon.artM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @eniko they want to make people dependent on them for everything. then they can do whatever they want. that’s why they’re locking down their phones too

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            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

              has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

              or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

              like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

              landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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              @eniko I'm hoping the plan is one last rodeo before investment dries up.

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              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

                mort@floss.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @eniko I honestly feel like nobody has a plan anymore other than to contort themselves into pretzels to demonstrate any kind of broad societal value in "AI". It seems like most of the big tech companies have collectively decided that *no* price is too great to sacrifice on the altar of AI. It's not about delivering products people want, it's about convincing society that it wants AI. I would normally say these sorts of things are about impressing shareholders but this is deeper than that

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                • mort@floss.socialM mort@floss.social

                  @eniko I honestly feel like nobody has a plan anymore other than to contort themselves into pretzels to demonstrate any kind of broad societal value in "AI". It seems like most of the big tech companies have collectively decided that *no* price is too great to sacrifice on the altar of AI. It's not about delivering products people want, it's about convincing society that it wants AI. I would normally say these sorts of things are about impressing shareholders but this is deeper than that

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                  #15

                  @mort AI induced C-suite psychosis

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                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                    or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                    like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

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                    @eniko Google will become The Internet , then they'll ???, and then they'll PROFIT.

                    Then they'll shut it down for unclear reasons and we can all touch grass.

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                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                      or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                      like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

                      44@defcon.social4 This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #17

                      @eniko plan's make money printer go brr,
                      ambivalent 2 how much the world burns around it

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                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                        or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                        like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

                        sinvega@mas.toS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #18

                        @eniko hold all the infrastructure and "convenience" to ransom probably

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                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                          or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                          like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

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                          @eniko I think folks are on the right track here, but there's a big part of this that's being overlooked.

                          It's all about data collection and controlling access to information freely available on the internet.

                          They realized there's a subset of Internet users who bypass their ads entirely with adblockers, despite their best efforts to stop that from happening in recent years. That's why they'd rather replace their search engine with Gemini to get folk's personal data that way. It also serves the interest of the billionaires to obscure access to info that would "radicalize" folks, by having a chatbot presenting curated and digested "search results" while keeping tabs on who's asking for such things.

                          This also seems to coincide with their efforts to lock down Android as well. Can't have folks "sideloading" apps to bypass all of this, now.

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                          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                            or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                            like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

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                            @eniko Of course there is: more AI. Then, if that doesn't help: more AI.

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                            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                              or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                              like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

                              flamingos_cant@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @eniko I'd attribute this to three things:

                              1. They've mostly given up on innovating on computer interface. This LLM craze is in many ways an extension of the previous voice assistant one;
                              2. LLMs are expensive and they salivate at the idea of you being dependent on them (see cloud storage);
                              3. They're Google, exceedingly self-conscious and irrational. Managers saw people on Reddit and HN bigging up OpenClaw, Claude, etc and feared they're not 'innovating' enough. So they innovated (copied).

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                              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                has google, which is primarily an ad company, thought through replacing search links with AI regurgitation? pretty sure if they cause an apocalypse on the web by no longer referring traffic, they lose their ad revenue too

                                or do they really think that people will just pay them to surface their stuff in AI chatboxes? cause, i don't think that's gonna go the way they think

                                like. what's the plan here? *is* there even a plan?

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                                #22

                                @eniko #Google is the new New Coke.

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