my whiplash/conflicting two big takeaways from #fediForum
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my whiplash/conflicting two big takeaways from #fediForum
#1 - SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
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#2 - goddamit, we need to figure out funding these things (possibly including me? at least a bit).
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my whiplash/conflicting two big takeaways from #fediForum
#1 - SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
but
#2 - goddamit, we need to figure out funding these things (possibly including me? at least a bit).
I'll shut up before I get myself into another #UBI dust-up tho'.
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I'll shut up before I get myself into another #UBI dust-up tho'.
@johannab UBI inflates the goods and services needed by recipients, firms will increase prices to absorb as much of their new funding as possible. Thus universal access to goods and services is preferred over cash, and the govt controls prices when procuring them, through its purchasing scale and industry information. Like it used to do for drugs, medical services, postsecondary education, and housing.
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@johannab UBI inflates the goods and services needed by recipients, firms will increase prices to absorb as much of their new funding as possible. Thus universal access to goods and services is preferred over cash, and the govt controls prices when procuring them, through its purchasing scale and industry information. Like it used to do for drugs, medical services, postsecondary education, and housing.
@johnefrancis heh. this is why I said before I get in another dust-up.
I've heard that argument, and I've heard debunkings of that argument, I've seen more data and papers favourable on the UBI side ...
Yet, in just about about every system I see, context and the particulars of configuration and interaction are a massive part of the equation and we never seem to make these things other than as black boxes.Which we then detonate, unexamined, out in a field when the first output isn't perfect.
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@johnefrancis heh. this is why I said before I get in another dust-up.
I've heard that argument, and I've heard debunkings of that argument, I've seen more data and papers favourable on the UBI side ...
Yet, in just about about every system I see, context and the particulars of configuration and interaction are a massive part of the equation and we never seem to make these things other than as black boxes.Which we then detonate, unexamined, out in a field when the first output isn't perfect.
@johannab I'm not one to pass up a good dust-up.
Universal basic services does seem to have a lot of administrative overhead. Maybe it works for housing, education, and medical care, but not so well for, well, income. If the income is high enough to allow people to choose housing broadly from the market, instead of only paying minimal rent in community housing, then the local grocery and discount stores can't set prices to prey on a captive, immobile population.
