If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?
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I would be very surprised if I posted a followers -only note that a non-follower could see.
If I posted a globally visible note in response to a followers-only note, and only the people who could see the original note could see my response, it would make sense to me.@ori I think this is where I got on the merry-go-round.
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@evan
It should be visible to the original set as Alice shared the post with her followers, not followers of followers (light blue segment of set diagram). Any of Bob’s followers that also follow Alice will see the post and replies anyway. See comments on set diagram and post about the set theory maths/model - https://mastodon.social/@dahukanna/116030140984675453@dahukanna
Oh... I need to change my answer.
Other: the dark blue-grey.
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Just visible to Alice unless she accepts the post. And she controls the visibility on her posts.
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@dahukanna
Oh... I need to change my answer.
Other: the dark blue-grey.
@evan@lazysupper @dahukanna so, in a long conversation, the number of people who can see the responses gets smaller and smaller over time?
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Just visible to Alice unless she accepts the post. And she controls the visibility on her posts.
@BuckRogers1965 have you tried the ActivityPub plugin for WordPress? This is how it works; absolutely great stuff.
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@maj Dawn's and my answer would be all of Alice's followers. I don't like the intersection answer, because it gets smaller and smaller over time. I think Alice's intent is to have her friends and family have a conversation, like it works on Instagram and Facebook.
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@jmcclure you're forgiven!
The poll is not mandatory, so please feel free to spend your one wild and precious life doing something different.
Huh?
I'm sorry I encroached on your poll without your invitation. I saw it, it looked interesting, so I submitted my vote and explained my "other" as requested.
If you didn't want to hear people's thoughts, don't ask for them.
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@evan You asked "should", not "does", so my answer is "only people who follow *both* Alice and Bob", that is, the intersection of both sets of followers. (Your 3rd option, to me, reads like "people who follow *either*", that is, the union.)
Whether Alice-only follower Carol (resp. Bob-only follower Dave) should gain access to Bob's reply by following Bob (resp. Alice) after Bob's reply is unclear to me.
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@maj does this help?
Dawn Ahukanna (@dahukanna@mastodon.social)
Attached: 1 image @evan@cosocial.ca It should be visible to the original set as Alice shared the post with her followers, not followers of followers (light blue segment of set diagram). Any of Bob’s followers that also follow Alice will see the post and replies anyway. See comments on set diagram and post about the set theory maths/model - https://mastodon.social/@dahukanna/116030140984675453
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@evan You asked "should", not "does", so my answer is "only people who follow *both* Alice and Bob", that is, the intersection of both sets of followers. (Your 3rd option, to me, reads like "people who follow *either*", that is, the union.)
Whether Alice-only follower Carol (resp. Bob-only follower Dave) should gain access to Bob's reply by following Bob (resp. Alice) after Bob's reply is unclear to me.
@pauamma so, the audience for replies gets smaller and smaller as the conversation grows?
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Intersection of Alice and Bob's followers.
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Intersection of Alice and Bob's followers.
@bjb so a smaller and smaller audience as the conversation goes on? Eventually too small to keep the conversation up?
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@bjb so a smaller and smaller audience as the conversation goes on? Eventually too small to keep the conversation up?
Yep. If there are people that Bob's not interested in, Bob should not have to deal with them.
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@evan What about Ted and Carol's followers?
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@pauamma so, the audience for replies gets smaller and smaller as the conversation grows?
@evan Good question. I'd have to think about it more, but my hot take is "it depends a lot on context". (Consider for instance that Bob may be Alice's stalkery ex.)
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Hey, all. So, I appreciate the responses. I'll break down the options here.
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Hey, all. So, I appreciate the responses. I'll break down the options here.
"Alice's followers" is the way most social networks work with private X, Facebook, Instagram. It lets Alice ask questions or share private info with people she trusts and cares about, and lets them discuss amongst themselves. It is really the best way to use social networks.
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@evan Sure!
Does this wording make sense?
When you post a followers-only post, who do you expect replies from?
My own followers (MOF)
MOF + repliers' followers (RF)
Mutual MOF + RF only
Something else?(Trying to be concise!)
@evan Well I went ahead, if you're interested:
Stefan Bohacek (@stefan@stefanbohacek.online)
Hey fediverse, quick question for you. Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from? #fediverse #poll #FollowersOnly #boundaries [ ] My own followers (MOF) [ ] MOF + repliers' followers (RF) [ ] Mutual MOF + RF only [ ] Something else?
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"Alice's followers" is the way most social networks work with private X, Facebook, Instagram. It lets Alice ask questions or share private info with people she trusts and cares about, and lets them discuss amongst themselves. It is really the best way to use social networks.
"Bob's followers" is the literalist version, with the worst possible dynamics. "You should reply to a followers-only post with a followers-only post" retains the same UI choice while completely changing the audience. Most of the other people who read Alice's post won't see Bob's comments. Bob's followers who don't follow Alice won't understand the context of his post, and won't be able to read Alice's post. It also violates Alice's privacy to share a response to her question with strangers.
