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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

    what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

    https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
    archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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    @davidgerard I can just imagine these toxic waste bombs exploding during the worst oil crisis ever and we are so fucked because the dumbest motherfuckers are in charge of everything it was nice knowing ya 🫡

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

      what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

      https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
      archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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      @davidgerard ”cavaliers of credit”, anyone?

      fyi archive link doesn’t work

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

        what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

        https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
        archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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        @davidgerard is that good?

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        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

          Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

          what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

          https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
          archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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          @davidgerard sound like the part of the big short where everyone agree the short instrument should pay out but won't because the bank need to first secure a good position. Or the scene where spiderman is using all its strength to prevent the train from derailing, except in real life, they let the train derail as soon as enough people jumped off

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

            what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

            https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
            archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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            @davidgerard

            Whenever the 1% screw up big time, they launch a variety of exotic financial instruments to disguise the downward spiral for as long as possible.

            In 1929, it was trusts (mutual funds)
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_crash_of_1929

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            In 2008 it was Credit Default Swaps, Collateralized Debt Obligations, derivatives, & Mortgage Backed Securities

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            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

              Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

              what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

              https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
              archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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              @davidgerard Gosh I wonder what happened after they last did things pre-Global Financial Crisis style

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                @davidgerard

                Oh wait, I've seen this one before!

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                • takosix@famichiki.jpT takosix@famichiki.jp

                  @davidgerard I can just imagine these toxic waste bombs exploding during the worst oil crisis ever and we are so fucked because the dumbest motherfuckers are in charge of everything it was nice knowing ya 🫡

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                  @takosix @davidgerard it takes decades. The 2008 was engineered in the 70, pumped in the 80-90 and started to cripple everything in the 2000s. I don't know, that's what the Big Short movie taught me.

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                    what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                    https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                    archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                    @davidgerard

                    "Sell 'em by the six-pack to public pension funds."

                    @ddayen

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                    • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                      @davidgerard ”cavaliers of credit”, anyone?

                      fyi archive link doesn’t work

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                      @gimulnautti works here. try https://archive.ph/GoRyM - or curse DNS

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                      • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

                        @davidgerard is that good?

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                        @pikesley the *best*

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                        • splinux@mastodon.unoS splinux@mastodon.uno

                          @takosix @davidgerard it takes decades. The 2008 was engineered in the 70, pumped in the 80-90 and started to cripple everything in the 2000s. I don't know, that's what the Big Short movie taught me.

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                          @splinux @takosix I detail the cluster-clusterfuck a bit here

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                          AI winter is in the air! But we think the AI bubble keeps going until 2027

                          After two years’ wait, and Sam Altman talking up how scary smart it was, OpenAI finally released GPT-5! And it was … meh. It could program a bit better? It didn’t do anything else much better…

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                          Pivot to AI (pivot-to-ai.com)

                          looking like 2027 was the correct number

                          we can hear the screeching machinery noises already

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                          • whoosh@neuromatch.socialW whoosh@neuromatch.social

                            @davidgerard

                            "Sell 'em by the six-pack to public pension funds."

                            @ddayen

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                            @whoosh now you might think

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                            • ailbhe@mendeddrum.orgA ailbhe@mendeddrum.org

                              @davidgerard Gosh I wonder what happened after they last did things pre-Global Financial Crisis style

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                              @Ailbhe it was very cool and everything worked out *fine*

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                              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                @splinux @takosix I detail the cluster-clusterfuck a bit here

                                Link Preview Image
                                AI winter is in the air! But we think the AI bubble keeps going until 2027

                                After two years’ wait, and Sam Altman talking up how scary smart it was, OpenAI finally released GPT-5! And it was … meh. It could program a bit better? It didn’t do anything else much better…

                                favicon

                                Pivot to AI (pivot-to-ai.com)

                                looking like 2027 was the correct number

                                we can hear the screeching machinery noises already

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                                @davidgerard @splinux @takosix

                                When Koch launched a venture capital outfit, Silicon Valley publicly went hard right.
                                https://www.axios.com/2017/12/14/koch-tries-its-hand-at-venture-capital-1513277500

                                First started noticing the AI hype cycle & techno-fascism go into overdrive after #PrinceBonesaw visited Google, Thiel, Apple etc in 2018.

                                Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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                                The fossil fuel industry launders its cash via the tech sector, before its fossil fuel asset values collapse, as renewables take hold.

                                nytimes.com

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                                Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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                                  @passenger

                                  Hopefully pension managers are smart enough by now to avoid that trap, .... and aren't corruptly in some complicit role.

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                                    what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                                    https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                                    archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                                    @davidgerard Thanks for the archive. Who will pay for the power those datacenters use? Here is another late reminder that cities need to own and control their use of power. I will of course boost this, if only because it includes an archive link.

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                                    • indyradio@kafeneio.socialI indyradio@kafeneio.social

                                      @davidgerard Thanks for the archive. Who will pay for the power those datacenters use? Here is another late reminder that cities need to own and control their use of power. I will of course boost this, if only because it includes an archive link.

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                                      @indyradio these things have every problem you can think of, these loans are *bad* and will default, the banks *know* this, and they're working out who to fob the toxic waste off onto

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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        @indyradio these things have every problem you can think of, these loans are *bad* and will default, the banks *know* this, and they're working out who to fob the toxic waste off onto

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                                        @davidgerard
                                        Rates have already increased grandly everywhere.
                                        Too obviously, you and I are being made to pay.

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                                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                          Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                                          what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                                          https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                                          archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                                          @davidgerard

                                          privatize the profits

                                          socialize the risk and the bail outs

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