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The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years.

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  • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

    The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

    - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
    - Potential loss of national sovereignty
    - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

    Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

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    @gcluley my local NHS "Trust" has signed one of those contracts with Palatir. I'm genuinely at a loss as to what healthcare option there is, if I don't want my subject data with them.

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    • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

      Meanwhile, the UK has signed contracts worth over £800 million with Palantir for NHS and Ministry of Defence systems. British MPs are now asking awkward questions about why their due diligence has reached such a different conclusion.

      Switzerland chose sovereignty over convenience. They chose not to risk using Palantir.

      Other countries should be asking themselves: if Switzerland deemed these risks unacceptable, what are we missing?

      What do you think?

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      @gcluley While you should never rely on another entity's decision, if other companies/countries are publicly rejecting vendors then it should raise red flags

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      • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

        Meanwhile, the UK has signed contracts worth over £800 million with Palantir for NHS and Ministry of Defence systems. British MPs are now asking awkward questions about why their due diligence has reached such a different conclusion.

        Switzerland chose sovereignty over convenience. They chose not to risk using Palantir.

        Other countries should be asking themselves: if Switzerland deemed these risks unacceptable, what are we missing?

        What do you think?

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        @gcluley UK was always an US slave that obey it's master.

        And now they don't have EU tie, they return to their Full slave yes yes decision.

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        • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

          The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

          - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
          - Potential loss of national sovereignty
          - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

          Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

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          @gcluley

          Not wanting to associate with literal nazis should be in the list of reasons

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          • paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.orgP paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

            @gcluley

            Switzerland is showing the way, while making some very reasonable points.

            I suspect the rest of Europe will follow. The UK, I am not so sure.

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            @ParadeGrotesque @gcluley

            Like the USA, politics in the UK are overly entwined with The Moneyed, white supremacy, and fossil fuel funded fascists.

            The wealthy are determined to fry both democracy itself, along with the planet.

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            • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

              Meanwhile, the UK has signed contracts worth over £800 million with Palantir for NHS and Ministry of Defence systems. British MPs are now asking awkward questions about why their due diligence has reached such a different conclusion.

              Switzerland chose sovereignty over convenience. They chose not to risk using Palantir.

              Other countries should be asking themselves: if Switzerland deemed these risks unacceptable, what are we missing?

              What do you think?

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              @gcluley

              The NHS using Palantir is scary. At least it would scare me if I lived in the UK.

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              • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                Meanwhile, the UK has signed contracts worth over £800 million with Palantir for NHS and Ministry of Defence systems. British MPs are now asking awkward questions about why their due diligence has reached such a different conclusion.

                Switzerland chose sovereignty over convenience. They chose not to risk using Palantir.

                Other countries should be asking themselves: if Switzerland deemed these risks unacceptable, what are we missing?

                What do you think?

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                @gcluley Carole Cadwalladr has been ringing this alarm for years, hopefully more will take up the task

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                • gypsyvegan@sfba.socialG gypsyvegan@sfba.social

                  @gcluley Carole Cadwalladr has been ringing this alarm for years, hopefully more will take up the task

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                  @gypsyvegan @gcluley "If our national security rests on US technology, we have no national security." This applies just as much for us here in Australia.

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                  • ooze@wirejunkie.netO ooze@wirejunkie.net

                    @gypsyvegan @gcluley "If our national security rests on US technology, we have no national security." This applies just as much for us here in Australia.

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                    @Ooze @gypsyvegan @gcluley
                    Greetings stranger.
                    Did you know Australia has been a US vassal for the past half century?
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

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                    • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                      The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

                      - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
                      - Potential loss of national sovereignty
                      - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

                      Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

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                      @gcluley there never was a contract. They never signed a contract with Palantir, so there’s nothing to end.

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                      • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                        Meanwhile, the UK has signed contracts worth over £800 million with Palantir for NHS and Ministry of Defence systems. British MPs are now asking awkward questions about why their due diligence has reached such a different conclusion.

                        Switzerland chose sovereignty over convenience. They chose not to risk using Palantir.

                        Other countries should be asking themselves: if Switzerland deemed these risks unacceptable, what are we missing?

                        What do you think?

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                        @gcluley I think, you’re right.

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                        • paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.orgP paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

                          @gcluley

                          Switzerland is showing the way, while making some very reasonable points.

                          I suspect the rest of Europe will follow. The UK, I am not so sure.

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                          @ParadeGrotesque @gcluley

                          I Hope so.

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                          • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                            The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

                            - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
                            - Potential loss of national sovereignty
                            - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

                            Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

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                            @gcluley I wish the British government would take heed here!

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                            • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                              The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

                              - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
                              - Potential loss of national sovereignty
                              - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

                              Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

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                              @gcluley Thanks - It was 2 months ago, and for some reason I had missed it 😅

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                              • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                                Meanwhile, the UK has signed contracts worth over £800 million with Palantir for NHS and Ministry of Defence systems. British MPs are now asking awkward questions about why their due diligence has reached such a different conclusion.

                                Switzerland chose sovereignty over convenience. They chose not to risk using Palantir.

                                Other countries should be asking themselves: if Switzerland deemed these risks unacceptable, what are we missing?

                                What do you think?

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                                @gcluley „Don‘t think twice, it’s all-right!”

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                                • gypsyvegan@sfba.socialG gypsyvegan@sfba.social

                                  @gcluley Carole Cadwalladr has been ringing this alarm for years, hopefully more will take up the task

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                                  @gypsyvegan @gcluley
                                  See, it is the advent of this sort of desperately poor judgement that leads folk to say Starmer is a crap PM. I’m not sure he has any fire in his belly. He seems to do as he’s told by which ever swivel-eyed autocrat he thinks he trusts. McSweeney and Steeting come to mind for some reason.

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                                  • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                                    The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

                                    - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
                                    - Potential loss of national sovereignty
                                    - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

                                    Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

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                                    @gcluley Can we please also do this in Australia.....

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                                    • paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.orgP paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @gcluley

                                      Switzerland is showing the way, while making some very reasonable points.

                                      I suspect the rest of Europe will follow. The UK, I am not so sure.

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                                      @ParadeGrotesque @gcluley I hope you're right but Denmark’s security state is structurally dependent on Palantir as I understand it.

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                                        @miguelpergamon @gcluley
                                        Ask Red Ed about his recent China trip. See how you get on.
                                        The handshake is public...

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                                        • gcluley@mastodon.greenG gcluley@mastodon.green

                                          The Swiss government has ended its contract with American analytics company Palantir, after federal agencies in the country rejected Palantir at least nine times over seven years. The reason? Security concerns that should make other countries think carefully:

                                          - Risk of US intelligence gaining access to sensitive data
                                          - Potential loss of national sovereignty
                                          - Dependence upon foreign specialists in crisis situations

                                          Swiss authorities won't touch their software with a bargepole.

                                          1/2

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                                          @gcluley And for some customers: Dependence on foreign specialists in everyday operations. In a DW documentary about Palantir, a German police official points to an empty office and proudly explains that the Palantir workers commute from several countries, flying in on Mondays, heading home Fridays.

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