So, I imagine my Tina Christian profile on Bandcamp will be removed soon because some arsehole decided to report it.
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@maerlynofmiria @darrenhartland This is exactly why I don't post my music there, I post it on platforms that accept the fact that I create AI-supported music.
@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria Yeah later this year I'll be selling directly from Tina Christian's website in any case, so it's no big deal. Like I said it's not the reporting, it's the fact they thought it necessary to tell me and be happy they told me.
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria Yeah later this year I'll be selling directly from Tina Christian's website in any case, so it's no big deal. Like I said it's not the reporting, it's the fact they thought it necessary to tell me and be happy they told me.
@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse Here's the issue and the reason why they figured they could do that. we've been conditioned throughout our lives to be polite and they take full advantage of that. That's why, when someone isn't polite these days, people like these idiot keyboard hiders are at a complete loss as to what to do.
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@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse Here's the issue and the reason why they figured they could do that. we've been conditioned throughout our lives to be polite and they take full advantage of that. That's why, when someone isn't polite these days, people like these idiot keyboard hiders are at a complete loss as to what to do.
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse I won't even reply to their message, I just blocked them. I@m not going to reply from Tina's account and get into a slanging match, takes the focus of what the account is for.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse I won't even reply to their message, I just blocked them. I@m not going to reply from Tina's account and get into a slanging match, takes the focus of what the account is for.
@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse Na, go in from another account and boggle the hell out of them.
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@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse Na, go in from another account and boggle the hell out of them.
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse Steve, what's the point, I have better things to do and that only messes with my head not theirs, they don't give a shit.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse Steve, what's the point, I have better things to do and that only messes with my head not theirs, they don't give a shit.
@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse And inaction means they'll do it to somebody else twice as hard. These people are no different from bullies, and ignore them and they'll go away never works with bullies. and they give more of a shit than you think. what they're after is people who'll meekly roll over and play dead for them.
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@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse And inaction means they'll do it to somebody else twice as hard. These people are no different from bullies, and ignore them and they'll go away never works with bullies. and they give more of a shit than you think. what they're after is people who'll meekly roll over and play dead for them.
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse And you think me try to mess with them will make any differentce, you're deluded. while I'm busy fucking with them, it's taking me away from doing stuff I enjoy like creating more music, so with respect, you fight the wankers if you like, I'll just block them and be more peaceful inside myself.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse And you think me try to mess with them will make any differentce, you're deluded. while I'm busy fucking with them, it's taking me away from doing stuff I enjoy like creating more music, so with respect, you fight the wankers if you like, I'll just block them and be more peaceful inside myself.
@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria I mean, I could post my music on Bandcamp, but I thought that Bandcamp themselves as a company were all against AI-supported music as a whole and would blanketly disallow it which is why I didn't bother. Plus, I don't know that I want to deal with those Anti-AI fucktards.
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@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria I mean, I could post my music on Bandcamp, but I thought that Bandcamp themselves as a company were all against AI-supported music as a whole and would blanketly disallow it which is why I didn't bother. Plus, I don't know that I want to deal with those Anti-AI fucktards.
@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria STrictly speaking yes, but you have to be reported, which personally I think is a shitty method of doing it lol
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@LeonianUniverse @maerlynofmiria STrictly speaking yes, but you have to be reported, which personally I think is a shitty method of doing it lol
@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria Yeah, but see, I don't want to break the rules if they are against AI-supported music as a whole. If they won't accept it, I am sure there are platforms that will and have a market for it. Its why I use Distro Kid, because they don't give a fuck, they just let me put the music that I want up essentially. Only thing is, I don't know how to put the AI Music tags on my Music so I have to describe every time that its made with the help of AI.
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@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria I mean, I could post my music on Bandcamp, but I thought that Bandcamp themselves as a company were all against AI-supported music as a whole and would blanketly disallow it which is why I didn't bother. Plus, I don't know that I want to deal with those Anti-AI fucktards.
@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland From what I gather, they didn't start out as anti AI till a bunch of mouths with legs with nothing better to do than bitch about progress started putting pressure on them.
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@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland From what I gather, they didn't start out as anti AI till a bunch of mouths with legs with nothing better to do than bitch about progress started putting pressure on them.
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse it's likely a little more nuanced than that STeve, not everything is black and white, good or bad. If Band Camp is for independent musicians, then I guess they have every right to say we don't like this because if you're just a prompt jockey, you're not a musician.
Unfortunately that then excludes those who put a lot more work into their creations like myself, but the rules are the rules.
So I'm not gonna bitch about the artists that are rightly concerned, I'm more likely to bitch about those who use AI to create generic shit and spam the streaming services with little thought to what they're producing which then has a knock on affect to people like me.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse it's likely a little more nuanced than that STeve, not everything is black and white, good or bad. If Band Camp is for independent musicians, then I guess they have every right to say we don't like this because if you're just a prompt jockey, you're not a musician.
Unfortunately that then excludes those who put a lot more work into their creations like myself, but the rules are the rules.
So I'm not gonna bitch about the artists that are rightly concerned, I'm more likely to bitch about those who use AI to create generic shit and spam the streaming services with little thought to what they're producing which then has a knock on affect to people like me.
@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse It's a bit more black and white than you think. Isn't it interesting how people were perfectly able to post AI generated content to band Camp for a good long time, and then when the AI haters came out and started bitching left right and center, even in forums that had nothing what so ever to do with music (Tweesecake support telegram Group anyone?) suddenly, then and only then did bandcamp go all anti AI on us? Bottom line, if these AI haters would basically be told to go stuff it, we'd not be seeing this going on. It's just like what happened with Dice world's devs giving in to the whiners and toasting the ability to tweet one's wins instead of telling said whiners "If you don't like the posts, skip them. after all, there are no gangsters at your door threatening your life if you don't view said posts."
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@darrenhartland @LeonianUniverse It's a bit more black and white than you think. Isn't it interesting how people were perfectly able to post AI generated content to band Camp for a good long time, and then when the AI haters came out and started bitching left right and center, even in forums that had nothing what so ever to do with music (Tweesecake support telegram Group anyone?) suddenly, then and only then did bandcamp go all anti AI on us? Bottom line, if these AI haters would basically be told to go stuff it, we'd not be seeing this going on. It's just like what happened with Dice world's devs giving in to the whiners and toasting the ability to tweet one's wins instead of telling said whiners "If you don't like the posts, skip them. after all, there are no gangsters at your door threatening your life if you don't view said posts."
@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse OK, mate you go and fight the war if you like, I'll keep making Tina's music and feel much happier about it.
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@maerlynofmiria @LeonianUniverse OK, mate you go and fight the war if you like, I'll keep making Tina's music and feel much happier about it.
@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria Yeah, I don't have a persona, I just like making music, it takes quite a long time to make it though, and its certainly not the easiest process out there. I just hate that people who make one-prompt songs are stifling those of us who actually take the time to make our music and make it sound good even though it is generated with AI. It really sucks, hours, days, even weeks put in to this and yet we're being seen as the problem when we are not.
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@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria Yeah, I don't have a persona, I just like making music, it takes quite a long time to make it though, and its certainly not the easiest process out there. I just hate that people who make one-prompt songs are stifling those of us who actually take the time to make our music and make it sound good even though it is generated with AI. It really sucks, hours, days, even weeks put in to this and yet we're being seen as the problem when we are not.
@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland This is why the album I'm working on's taking months to put together. and I'm enjoying doing it, as it's not just generating for me but picking and choosing once I have songs done.
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So, I imagine my Tina Christian profile on Bandcamp will be removed soon because some arsehole decided to report it. OK, whatever I'm not fussed about that so much, but the fact that they found it necessary to comment on one of my tina posts and tell me with a sarcastic "bye bye" tells me all I need to know about what kind of prick they are.
If we're not hurting you, just leave people the fuck alone to get on with their lives you sad little moron.
OK, I'm good now.
@darrenhartland If I'm correct, you declare right there in the profile and tracks etc that it's AI music. If mods are gonna have a problem with it, they['ll deal with that. There was no need for that on the part of the other user and I'm sorry it happened.
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@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland This is why the album I'm working on's taking months to put together. and I'm enjoying doing it, as it's not just generating for me but picking and choosing once I have songs done.
@maerlynofmiria @darrenhartland I wonder what your process is, I use either Claud or ChatGPT to help me make my lyrics actually cohesive, and then Suno to refine my style. The advanced mode for Suno is really good for this as I can refine my style as I go along, see if the lyrics are clunky or if they'll work in a song, and if not, adjust them so that they are more in-line with the style I'm looking for then sort of just tailor it to that style as I go along, takes a lot of generations though and sometimes I go back some time later and see if it still hits the same as it did before, and if not, refine even more til I know I have a banger.
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@darrenhartland @maerlynofmiria Yeah, I don't have a persona, I just like making music, it takes quite a long time to make it though, and its certainly not the easiest process out there. I just hate that people who make one-prompt songs are stifling those of us who actually take the time to make our music and make it sound good even though it is generated with AI. It really sucks, hours, days, even weeks put in to this and yet we're being seen as the problem when we are not.
@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland Shift that viewpoint along a bit and you have the reason for the "anti-AI fucktards" as you put it though. They hate feeling that the practice and years of work they put in is being stifled by people who can make an album in a month or whatever. The 1-prompt jockeys make you uncomfortable, gen-ai musicians make traditional musicians uncomfortable.
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@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland Shift that viewpoint along a bit and you have the reason for the "anti-AI fucktards" as you put it though. They hate feeling that the practice and years of work they put in is being stifled by people who can make an album in a month or whatever. The 1-prompt jockeys make you uncomfortable, gen-ai musicians make traditional musicians uncomfortable.
@LeonianUniverse @darrenhartland Absolutely not trying to start shit, just foster mutual understanding. There's good reason for the strong feeling on all sides. A balance will come in time I hope.
