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So it's not about cars or EVs or jobs.

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  • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

    So it's not about cars or EVs or jobs.
    It's just plain old stupid racism, Doug.

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    @chris the union has been raising some legitimate concerns about the role of Canadian auto-parts supply chain in Chinese EV assembly. I'm not saying that this is reason enough to stop the plan, but it's not unreasonable.

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    • tobiaspatton@cosocial.caT tobiaspatton@cosocial.ca

      @chris the union has been raising some legitimate concerns about the role of Canadian auto-parts supply chain in Chinese EV assembly. I'm not saying that this is reason enough to stop the plan, but it's not unreasonable.

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      @tobiaspatton I hear that. And as union person I am sensitive to that. But also as a realist, I know that China, and their automakers in particular, have pioneered new manufacturing processes ("dark factories” there was a good CBC report this week) that will inevitably be taken up by all manufacturers. So we can either be part of that now, or later.

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      • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

        @Amgine @chris reading between lines: Ontario car parts manufacturer lobbied Dog Ford against this because the Chinese cars would be assembled without buying car parts from the lobbyist.

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        @jfmezei @chris

        There is a far greater risk to NAAM than there is to Canada's APMA.

        It is also pointless to oppose this in Canada, as Mexico is already retailing and assembling.

        But, being egalitarian, I see no reason why **all three** really bad/illogical reasons cannot all be true.

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        • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

          @tobiaspatton I hear that. And as union person I am sensitive to that. But also as a realist, I know that China, and their automakers in particular, have pioneered new manufacturing processes ("dark factories” there was a good CBC report this week) that will inevitably be taken up by all manufacturers. So we can either be part of that now, or later.

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          @chris I tend to agree with this stance. But I think we need to look after displaced workers the best we can.

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          • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

            So it's not about cars or EVs or jobs.
            It's just plain old stupid racism, Doug.

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            @chris
            Oops: 🙂

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            • crispius@mstdn.fname.caC crispius@mstdn.fname.ca

              @chris
              Oops: 🙂

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              @crispius @chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca hahaha

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              • tobiaspatton@cosocial.caT tobiaspatton@cosocial.ca

                @chris I tend to agree with this stance. But I think we need to look after displaced workers the best we can.

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                @tobiaspatton absolutely. That's generally the missing link and it is why so much bad blood is generated by these transitions.

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                • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                  @tobiaspatton I hear that. And as union person I am sensitive to that. But also as a realist, I know that China, and their automakers in particular, have pioneered new manufacturing processes ("dark factories” there was a good CBC report this week) that will inevitably be taken up by all manufacturers. So we can either be part of that now, or later.

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                  @chris @tobiaspatton

                  One of the key things about assembling in Canada is there are inevitably cost efficiencies which produce local economic activity.

                  But also - this is all about Stellantis getting out of their contract violation(s) with Ontario and Canada. And that requires a certain number of skilled Canadian employees. Or cash.

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                  • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                    So it's not about cars or EVs or jobs.
                    It's just plain old stupid racism, Doug.

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                    Ontario 'dead against' Stellantis talks to build Chinese EVs at Brampton plant: Ford | CBC News

                    Ontario Premier Doug Ford has reacted to reports that Stellantis is in talks with a Chinese automobile manufacturer about the possibility of building Chinese electric vehicles in Canada at its idled ⁠Brampton assembly plant.

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                    #Canada #EV #China #Cars #Manufacturing #Jobs #DougFord

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                    @chris

                    🇨🇦 Canadians want choice because monopoly control by 🇺🇸 American corporations and politicians have made cars too expensive.

                    Premier Ford is an 🇺🇸 American corporation and 🤡 politician.

                    #onpoli #cdnpoli #byd #evs #ev

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                    • tobiaspatton@cosocial.caT tobiaspatton@cosocial.ca

                      @chris I tend to agree with this stance. But I think we need to look after displaced workers the best we can.

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                      @tobiaspatton But aren't there displaced workers right now? This plant is sitting idle. If they spin it up again, there are jobs. @chris

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