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Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

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  • alexadeswift@lgbtqia.spaceA alexadeswift@lgbtqia.space

    @alice

    I rarely use self checkout and the supermarkt I mostly use doesn't even have them!

    Oh, and it cheaper than the one that does, albeit the choice of vegan products is poorer!

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    @alexadeswift I used to avoid them like the plague, but now my local store basically offers a 1-2 minute wait for self-checkout, or like a 10 minute wait for one of their two cashier lanes. I hate it and still opt for the human as often as I can.

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    • ohmrun@indieweb.socialO ohmrun@indieweb.social

      @alice
      The 'ole five-finger discount.

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      #11

      @ohmrun late-stage capitalism has pushed me into piracy, because services have gotten *so* much worse than bootlegs.

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      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

        @ohmrun late-stage capitalism has pushed me into piracy, because services have gotten *so* much worse than bootlegs.

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        @alice
        I'm not poor by historical standards, but...

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        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

          Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

          I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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          #13

          @alice I fully support this

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          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

            Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

            I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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            #14

            @alice I usually ring up an employee discount by choosing the cheaper of the weighed items, for example peanuts instead of cashews. Seems like they've cottoned on though and throw "employee verification needed" blocker when trying to check out with any of the most easily "confused" items these days. Except the 1 employee manning 15 self-checkouts at my local supermarket usually can't bother spending the time to look at the items and just hits the confirmation and moves on lol

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            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

              Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

              I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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              @alice if it makes them feel better about it they can think of it as an employee discount since I'm doing their work for them.

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              • ohmrun@indieweb.socialO ohmrun@indieweb.social

                @alice
                I'm not poor by historical standards, but...

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                #16

                @ohmrun @alice ...I'm rich in downloaded media?

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                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                  Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

                  I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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                  #17

                  @alice it's like putting a negative number in the kiosk at McDonald's and getting 99 nuggets.

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                  • carlwatkins@mastodon.socialC carlwatkins@mastodon.social

                    @ohmrun @alice ...I'm rich in downloaded media?

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                    @CarlWatkins @alice I've got my Bitwig licence, and my Native Instruments Komplete licence, and, err, some other software products under active evaluation.

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                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                      Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

                      I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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                      #19

                      @alice Don’t forget to tip tippy!

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                        Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

                        I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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                        #20

                        @alice sure!
                        just buy 5 of each and scan 4 🙂

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                        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                          Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

                          I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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                          @alice In the EU we do not tip the cashier, find that idea quite odd. Only waiters in restaurants (not Mac Do) get tips here.

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                          • connynasch@mastodon.socialC connynasch@mastodon.social

                            @alice In the EU we do not tip the cashier, find that idea quite odd. Only waiters in restaurants (not Mac Do) get tips here.

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                            @connynasch here in the US, we have things like:

                            - self-checkout kiosks that ask for tips

                            - POS systems that ask for a tip before you get served

                            - default tipping amounts of 18%, 20%, and 25%, or "no tip" on most services

                            - a 5% "built-in" tip on all sales at a lot of restaurants (that doesn't go to employees)

                            - a 15% built-in gratuity for groups (usually of 6+)

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                            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                              Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

                              I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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                              @alice some time ago I went shopping in a drugstore where they had just introduced self-service kiosks, 4 people worked there. I went to the regular register and said I prefer to shop from a human, because the company will use this as an excuse to fire people. The cashier said that this was a huge time save, not needing to serve customers, and they weren't worried about that they'd lose their jobs

                              2 years later only 2 people work there 😔

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                              • webhat@infosec.exchangeW webhat@infosec.exchange

                                @alice some time ago I went shopping in a drugstore where they had just introduced self-service kiosks, 4 people worked there. I went to the regular register and said I prefer to shop from a human, because the company will use this as an excuse to fire people. The cashier said that this was a huge time save, not needing to serve customers, and they weren't worried about that they'd lose their jobs

                                2 years later only 2 people work there 😔

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                                @webhat @alice A lot of the moral argument against automated checkouts depends on a neoliberal austerity model where chatting with the cashier is the only form of social contact some people get, and it is accepted as Morally Wrong that society should provide them with more funded by the Hardworking Taxpayer. I.e., the Market accidentally provides universal basic social connection, which is under threat from improved efficiencies, so they must be stopped.

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                                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                  Self-checkout kiosks should allow tipping.

                                  I've done such a good job ringing up all my own groceries that I think I deserve a 20% tip.

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                                  @alice the comments make me sad. I somehow thought people on the fediverse could agree on the absolute minimum, like not being a class traitor and not using the self checkout*

                                  *Unless there is a health, safety or other import reason

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                                  • acb@mastodon.socialA acb@mastodon.social

                                    @webhat @alice A lot of the moral argument against automated checkouts depends on a neoliberal austerity model where chatting with the cashier is the only form of social contact some people get, and it is accepted as Morally Wrong that society should provide them with more funded by the Hardworking Taxpayer. I.e., the Market accidentally provides universal basic social connection, which is under threat from improved efficiencies, so they must be stopped.

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                                    @acb my argument against automated checkout is that it isn't automated. It's that it's removing a paid employee and replacing them with me. On top of that, they're now filming my purchases, selling the data, and using a fraction of the profit to pay armed security to check my receipt at the door to make sure I'm doing a good job of filling in for their employees.

                                    @webhat

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                                    • webhat@infosec.exchangeW webhat@infosec.exchange

                                      @alice some time ago I went shopping in a drugstore where they had just introduced self-service kiosks, 4 people worked there. I went to the regular register and said I prefer to shop from a human, because the company will use this as an excuse to fire people. The cashier said that this was a huge time save, not needing to serve customers, and they weren't worried about that they'd lose their jobs

                                      2 years later only 2 people work there 😔

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                                      @webhat @alice except self-checkous have one advantage:
                                      People can shop without direct judgement.
                                      - May it be care products for trans* and nonbinary folks.
                                      - Or some dude with fragile masculinity that can't handle putting a pack of tampons or condoms on the conveyor.

                                      They incentivize small & single-item purchases, reduce queues on those and increase the conversion rate (from walking-buy to paying)…
                                      - And with the absurd rent prices on commercial real estate, there's absolutely incentive to maximize that rate.

                                      Stores not only optimize staffing to peak efficiency (see ALDI) but also being a discrete one-stop-shop is what made Amazon so big:
                                      - The packaging doesn't tell if one's ordering a pack of shampoo or lube nor whether there's a flashlight or dildo inside…

                                      Besides most people are pragmatic and would rather have a cheaper product without frills than paying extra on everything.
                                      - Again: ALDI principle…

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                                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                        @acb my argument against automated checkout is that it isn't automated. It's that it's removing a paid employee and replacing them with me. On top of that, they're now filming my purchases, selling the data, and using a fraction of the profit to pay armed security to check my receipt at the door to make sure I'm doing a good job of filling in for their employees.

                                        @webhat

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                                        @alice @acb @webhat those are all valid arguments, espechally in juristictions where these things are legal…

                                        https://c.im/@kkarhan/116583530622643280

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                                        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                          @acb my argument against automated checkout is that it isn't automated. It's that it's removing a paid employee and replacing them with me. On top of that, they're now filming my purchases, selling the data, and using a fraction of the profit to pay armed security to check my receipt at the door to make sure I'm doing a good job of filling in for their employees.

                                          @webhat

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                                          @alice @webhat Maybe I’m wrong, but I prefer the automated checkout. It’s usually faster, and I don’t need a chat with the tired stranger operating the till. And I’d rather pay direct taxes from my paycheque to fund social workers (as is the case in Sweden) than pay the indirect, stochastic tax of some of my grocery-shopping time going to waiting in a slow queue with a modicum of social contact at the end.

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