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    > The Discrimination Of Being And Indeterminate Sex

    On Thursday last the UK EHRC, which is in theory at least tasked with
    improving equalities and human rights, released its guidance to Parliament
    regarding trans citizens access to single sex spaces, and it is fair to
    say the guidance is devastating.

    But first a little history. Back in the early 2000s in a case brought
    before the ECtHR it was ruled that the UK was in breach of human rights
    law, in that the UK defacto rendered trans citizens an indeterminate
    third gender. This ruling resulted in the GRA 2004 and the EA 2010
    resulting in trans people being legally recognised as our acquired
    gender, within certain bounds. This existed for a decade until it was
    in essence overturned by the Supreme Court ruling in April 2025 which
    ruled that under the EA 2010, sex meant "biological sex" without
    establishing what this means. This created further confusion because,
    under the EA 2010 it was already possible to discriminate against
    trans people, albeit with a high bar, on a case by case basis and
    in order to achieve a legitimate aim. In short, it was always possible
    for women's groups to exclude trans women albeit within certain
    bounds.

    This guidance now mandates that trans women only use men's facilities
    and trans men use women's facilities, unless they look too feminine
    or masculine in which case they may not, in which case some undefined
    "third space" must be used. This puts trans people at risk and also
    forcibly outing us, which is itself against the law. As for the risk,
    it is highly likely that any such space would become known as "tranny
    toilets" with all the risk of violence that entails.

    A more chilling possibility is that such guidance would make it effectively
    impossible for any trans person in the future to medically transition.
    This is due to the highly pathologised nature of trans medicine whereby
    a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, which does not exist in ICD11, is
    required for medical transition and a key part of this is demonstrating
    living within acquired gender, including the use of appropriate gendered
    spaces. This guidance will make that last part impossible and illegal.
    The practical result of this will be to drive trans people from public
    life. How for example can we go to the pub with our friends if we
    are unable to use the toilet?

    This must be protested and fought against as the impact will not end
    with trans people, indeed, already we are seeing cis women being impacted
    if they do not look feminine enough. To this end protests are due to
    be held across the UK with some already having been held.

    This is regressive, and must not stand.

    #Trans #Transgender #TransgenderUK

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    • alexadeswift@lgbtqia.spaceA alexadeswift@lgbtqia.space

      > The Discrimination Of Being And Indeterminate Sex

      On Thursday last the UK EHRC, which is in theory at least tasked with
      improving equalities and human rights, released its guidance to Parliament
      regarding trans citizens access to single sex spaces, and it is fair to
      say the guidance is devastating.

      But first a little history. Back in the early 2000s in a case brought
      before the ECtHR it was ruled that the UK was in breach of human rights
      law, in that the UK defacto rendered trans citizens an indeterminate
      third gender. This ruling resulted in the GRA 2004 and the EA 2010
      resulting in trans people being legally recognised as our acquired
      gender, within certain bounds. This existed for a decade until it was
      in essence overturned by the Supreme Court ruling in April 2025 which
      ruled that under the EA 2010, sex meant "biological sex" without
      establishing what this means. This created further confusion because,
      under the EA 2010 it was already possible to discriminate against
      trans people, albeit with a high bar, on a case by case basis and
      in order to achieve a legitimate aim. In short, it was always possible
      for women's groups to exclude trans women albeit within certain
      bounds.

      This guidance now mandates that trans women only use men's facilities
      and trans men use women's facilities, unless they look too feminine
      or masculine in which case they may not, in which case some undefined
      "third space" must be used. This puts trans people at risk and also
      forcibly outing us, which is itself against the law. As for the risk,
      it is highly likely that any such space would become known as "tranny
      toilets" with all the risk of violence that entails.

      A more chilling possibility is that such guidance would make it effectively
      impossible for any trans person in the future to medically transition.
      This is due to the highly pathologised nature of trans medicine whereby
      a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, which does not exist in ICD11, is
      required for medical transition and a key part of this is demonstrating
      living within acquired gender, including the use of appropriate gendered
      spaces. This guidance will make that last part impossible and illegal.
      The practical result of this will be to drive trans people from public
      life. How for example can we go to the pub with our friends if we
      are unable to use the toilet?

      This must be protested and fought against as the impact will not end
      with trans people, indeed, already we are seeing cis women being impacted
      if they do not look feminine enough. To this end protests are due to
      be held across the UK with some already having been held.

      This is regressive, and must not stand.

      #Trans #Transgender #TransgenderUK

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      @alexadeswift The concept of "biological sex" as a meaningful legal classifier is intrinsically intersex phobic. There is no definition of biological sex that does not harm intersex people, and the concept is rejected by the scientific community.

      By the way, intersex status is not a protected characteristic in the UK, which also still performs intersex genital mutilation on infants.

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        @alexadeswift The concept of "biological sex" as a meaningful legal classifier is intrinsically intersex phobic. There is no definition of biological sex that does not harm intersex people, and the concept is rejected by the scientific community.

        By the way, intersex status is not a protected characteristic in the UK, which also still performs intersex genital mutilation on infants.

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        @SecondUniverse

        As an intersex person myself, that is my daily lived experience!

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