CIRCLE WITH A DOT

@mkj @eniko Very true. It makes it so much harder to get anyone to change to something else because many people will just go out of their way to do anything NOT to change.

@eniko Honestly, I think this is genuinely part of the problem, People are looking for something that is a 1:1 direct replacement for everything that Discord is, and that just doesn't exist. So people get upset when you suggest anything that isn't 100% exactly Discord with a different name.

Nothing does what Discord does 100%. Not Matrix, not IRC, not Telegram, not Octotalk, not Trello, nothing.

If people want to get off of Discord they're going to have to understand that it's going to take a couple different pieces of software. you might have to combine IRC with Trello and use something like Signal or Telegram (as much as that sucks too) for your offline IM's. And then stream to YouTube or Twitch to let people watch you game.

People need to get away from this kind of monolithic software where one program does everything. And one bad decision can hurt everyone.

That said I have no expectations that there will be any kind of mass movement away from Discord, no matter how bad it gets. No one left when it was obvious the CEO was a scumbag, No one left when he put a new CEO in place that was worse. No one left when it was clear Discord wanted to dominate the game chat space and become the only program people could use for chat. No one left when they talked about adding ads all over, and no one left when they planned to move game stores out of games and into Discord where they could charge the game devs, AND their users to double dip on their prices. So why would anyone leave now?

@volpeon I know how this goes. I'm still on IRC, and I'd love to see more people on there, but a lot of people just refuse to leave Discord.

I still hold out some hope though. I know you and I are on the same server at least once.

@culper @anthropy This, so much. I always tell people to get addresses and phone numbers for your close friends. The people you would really want to keep in touch with if all else fails. Being able to make a phone call or write a letter is really important. If all else fails you'll always have that.

@Linux_in_a_Bit This, 100%. Some help forums are absolutely toxic to new users.