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@hiphopheaven I really don't. I just say that all the other countries in the region ended in ethnic cleaning their local Jews (and this is due to nationalism, not religion). Do you really think it would have been different in Palestine without Israel?

Yeah, during the segregation in the US, you could also find some white people who protected Black people. Does that mean segregation didn't exist?
I totally recognize some countries welcomed Jews after the Reconquista, 3/4 of them went to... the Ottoman empire. You recognize it didn't really prevent the Ottoman empire from doing pogroms.

@hiphopheaven I am totally sure you are good willing and sincere, but you don't understand how much propaganda there is on those topics and how much the Jewish history is unknown.

@hiphopheaven It was impossible, but no one tried. Do you know what the Evian conference in 1938 was?

And you don't remember the Antisemitic policies from some of the Eastern socialist countries after 1945 if you believe that. Don't you know that in Poland, in 1946, after the death of 95% of the local Jews, there were still pogroms?

No, no, Jewish population and Arab population didn't just "'live together". Jews were segregated and with less rights than Arab populations. You don't want to see the pogroms in the Arab world before and after Israel (and ethnic cleaning of Jews during the whole 20th century).

@hiphopheaven @raymaccarthy @antoinechambertloir @rae Man, that's exactly the story of Liberia. And no one cared about the dramatic civil war which took place at the beginning of the 2000s there.

Yes, I perfectly know there were Jews who were thinking that, especially the Bund. The problem is that they finished in the gas chambers. That's exactly why history is useful: we learn what kind of emancipation strategies don't work, even if they are more attractive.

@hiphopheaven @raymaccarthy @antoinechambertloir @rae Yeah, sure. And? Does this mean that because other ones suffer, everyone must accept suffering and not complaining?

@hiphopheaven We totally agree on that

@hiphopheaven @raymaccarthy @antoinechambertloir @rae Yeah, the region was stable: Jews were discriminated and ghettoized, and sometimes, a pogrom was taking place. No equal rights.

@hiphopheaven @raymaccarthy @antoinechambertloir @rae You know Wikipedia has sources too. That's just cherry-picking.

@hiphopheaven I totally recognize Israel is genociding Palestinians right now. But you totally idealize history. There were pogroms in Palestine too. Peace needs to be created, and it supposes to work for that.

@hiphopheaven @raymaccarthy @antoinechambertloir @rae Oh please, you take one example and generalize (+ you could give the source when you quote an article). And you give only one part of the story. Even Wikipedia is more nuanced than that.

@hiphopheaven
You’re also mistaken. ‘Semitic’ refers to languages, not peoples. It was 19th-century racists who invented the idea of ‘Semitic peoples.’ In the 1930s, Arab ambassadors even asked the Nazis if they were targeted by ‘antisemitism’, and the Nazis explicitly said no. (Source: "Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World", Jeffrey Herf, 2009.) So stop twisting the term: antisemitism has always meant structural discrimination against Jews—and only Jews. Arabophobia and Islamophobia exist separately; there’s no reason to co-opt the term except to delegitimize Jews. And that…

@hiphopheaven "Recent immigrants" who fled Hitler in the 1930s. That’s who made up the majority of Jews in the territory by 1947. Would you have preferred they died in the gas chambers?

@hiphopheaven @raymaccarthy @antoinechambertloir @rae Sure, but no one wanted equal rights back then. Moreover, one only needs to look at the other countries in the region during the 20th century. After independence, equal rights were not particularly established, and Jews continued to face structural discriminatio