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@dansup Thanks, Dan - I apologize if my responses came out the wrong way in a heated moment as well. We can all do better.
There are a lot of folks in that community who are excited to collab and make the open social web wider, more diverse, and understandable for average users. We're stronger together.
As I said in private, I appreciate you, I respect and am astounded by the work you put in, and you're a core part of the OSW.
Thank you, and I hope we can build bigger than we already are.
@evan @dansup There are brilliant developers who were building in between the two spaces who decided it wasn't worth the hate they were receiving. If you want, I can share how much hate I get for bridging, and the mass majority comes from this side of the ecosystem, I just continue on because I believe in the mission.
It's a culture problem, and you two have the power to help change that.
@evan @dansup The number of developers and communities who've been pushed out of the Fedi because of this elitist mentality should be alarming to any builder in this space. Are we ever going to learn to do better, or are we going to continue pushing more people away?
The vibes aren't good, Evan, and I really hope you're aware of that, because vibes make or break a community.
@evan @dansup I'm not gaslighting anyone, Evan, and I would hope that you would know me better than that after our conversations.
You can throw stones back at the Fedi's bet around Meta and all the other companies that promised ActivityPub integration but never delivered. What are we even doing here?
@evan @dansup What's hurt it more is not working together on a unified strategy and putting up walls every time there's a chance to do so.
There are folks on the atproto side who have shown an intent to bridge with services like Pixelfed and Loops, *including* adding the logo on the posts to help promote services. We can either move together, or we can continue to push each other away and fall to trillion-dollar companies building their own ecosystems, some of whom the Fedi bet the farm on.
@sunnythesheep I'm not talking about Bluesky, I'm talking about atproto, which now includes a variety of services, many of which have no connection to Bluesky with their tech stack.
@dansup This is such a miscommunication of what's happening. Happy to chat with you about it sometime, but I highly recommend not taking a billionaire's word over what that ecosystem is and what it's meant to be.
@dansup We're stronger together, Dan. It's not worth throwing stones.
While we're betting against each other, companies with infinite money spigots are building cross-app ecosystems of their own, trapping people further
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@flaviusflavius Getting non-committal (I actually think bridging is a form of committing, but I digress) isn't a conversation around consent. I think that if you're replying to or mentioning someone, they have the right to respond.
As far as a slippery slope - we've been very clear since the founding of A New Social about never auto-bridging anyone on Bridgy Fed. We've specifically designed this feature so that the unbridged user is not exposed to the bridge.
@rosewsgf To preserve privacy, we don't "look" at any posts/profiles that don't directly engage with the bridge. While that may be a popular ask (it's actually less popular than this one!), it's not in our jurisdiction, unfortunately.
@flaviusflavius may I ask why you feel this violates consent? We embed the post and don't pull it into any of our systems. Only the ActivityPub actor can engage with the post on the Fediverse, and no one in the other ecosystem can see it on their native platform.
