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@tapafon @ariadne @monocles @kkarhan sure, but you talked about honeypots and controlled opposition and that's normally not true for the people I mentioned.

Also, albeit a bit philosophical, you always have to trust someone. You seem to make the cut at the client side (so you trust the client developers to not sneak some surveillance code in) and I make the cut somewhere on the server side, not trusting all servers, but some

@tapafon @ariadne @kkarhan

Well, I'd say some public xmpp servers hosted by people actively developing clients or being active in the XSF (xmpp standards foundation) are safe to use, too. For example: conversations.im or yax.im.

Both are listed as default in Monal and I know both admins personally

You can of course use any server with Monal.