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@alienghic I wanted to say "killing people directly" but was out of characters. Gotta find a better instance.
To many people (sounds arrogant but the average person isn't very smart) there's a huge diff between lining people up next to a wall and shooting them vs putting them into a camp and killing them via malnutrition and disease.
> ICE straight up shot people on camera
Yup, and I hope the people responsible will be shot in return, though I have little hope of it happening intralegally.
Yup, many are real. What I was trying to say is that to the average person, it doesn't matter what is true, what matters is whether it sounds true.
@alienghic No doubt but they're outliers. Issues with this phrasing:
1) you're using an extreme example to characterize a group, it distorts the discussion
2) people will believe you if they already want to but the average person will see a conspiracy theorist and ignore you.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and repeating that evidence for every new person who hears about it.
Actually killing people is outside the majority's Overton window (for now) so they won't (for now)
@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
Anyway, their goal is not depopulation, that's just a side effect. Their goal is to have fun, which to them is competing with other rich and anti-social people who has a bigger number in his bank account.
The real issue is constantly letting anti-socials into positions of power instead of democratizing everything - not just governments but companies too - and with direct democracy, not this "vote for parties to control your life" appeasement.
@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
I know what you're trying to say but the issue with phrasing it like this in spaces filled with non-open-minded average people is that it sounds too much like a conspiracy theory.
At the same time I know a bunch of young people who say they're not gonna have kids because they don't want to bring another person into an unjust world. And a bunch of older people then complain about immigration being used to replace us.
@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit Only name and not address? 
@alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit Land of the free...
Up until about a year ago, I saw Europe as the last bastion of actual freedom (although we have more restrictions on free speech and I was threatened with cops for things I said online by people who were provably abuser-types and flying monkeys).
With the latest wave of restrictions like chat control and age checks, I don't think there's anywhere left.
@danirabbit I don't think "safely" is even relevant. I had unfiltered access to the net since I was ~12 and I turned out fine. A friend told me she started watching porn when she was 13 and she turned out fine.
Yes, some people end up as NEETs/shut-ins/incels but those are outliers good for clickbait headlines. If we (decisions should be made by people, not politicians) are to restrict freedoms, we need sufficient proof of a causal relationship.
Until them, age-restrictionists can fuck off.
